Quote:Pope Francis said Friday that education and jobs will prevent young people from being radicalized and heading off to join militant groups.
The pontiff, who is visiting Kenya’s capital Nairobi, was asked what young people can do to prevent their friends and relatives from joining militants, such as the al-Qaeda-linked al-Shabab, based in neighboring Somalia. Kenyans make up most of foreign fighters in the extremist Islamist group's ranks.
“If a young person has no work, what kind of a future does he or she have? " the pope said. "That’s where the idea of being recruited comes from.”
Earlier Friday, the pope denounced the conditions that many are forced to live in during a visit to a slum in Nairobi.
The pontiff said that access to safe water is a basic human right during the trip to the Kangemi area in the northwest of the city, where about 50,000 people live without basic sanitation.
He said that everyone should have dignified, adequate housing, with a sewage system, garbage collection and electricity as well as schools, hospitals and sport facilities.
"The culture of poor neighborhoods has positive values…each human being is more important than the god of money," he said, according to Kenya's Daily Nation newspaper. He added that the suffering of the poor is caused by a greedy minority.
Denouncing the "injustice of urban exclusion" and the unfair distribution of land, he criticized "faceless private developers who grab even playgrounds where the children of the poor are supposed to recreate," the Daily Nation said.
He added: "These are wounds inflicted by minorities who cling to power and wealth, who selfishly squander while a growing majority is forced to flee to abandoned, filthy and run-down peripheries."
"To deny a family water, under any bureaucratic pretext whatsoever, is a great injustice, especially when one profits from this need."
The pope also attended a youth rally at the Kasarani Stadium, where he urged attendees to resist the temptation of corruption. “It’s in all the institutions, including in the Vatican there are cases of corruption,” he said. Revelations in two new books have detailed gross mismanagement and waste at the Vatican.
He later departed for neighboring Uganda, where his engagements include visiting President Yoweri Museveni at the state house.
He arrived in Kenya on Wednesday as part of a six-day visit to the continent, which includes a trip to the Central African Republic.
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I think the pope is spot on. Unemployment especially provides a breeding ground for extremist ideologies. If you look at the rise of all modern extremist ideologies (communism, Nazis, anarchism, radical Islam, etc.), you generally find there has been some type of economic hardship prior to that rise.
(11-27-2015, 07:17 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: I think the pope is spot on. Unemployment especially provides a breeding ground for extremist ideologies. If you look at the rise of all modern extremist ideologies (communism, Nazis, anarchism, radical Islam, etc.), you generally find there has been some type of economic hardship prior to that rise.
Indeed. It's the same situation for street gang recruitment. A lack of opportunity and community puts people in search of both. This makes them prime candidates.
(11-27-2015, 07:17 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: I think the pope is spot on. Unemployment especially provides a breeding ground for extremist ideologies. If you look at the rise of all modern extremist ideologies (communism, Nazis, anarchism, radical Islam, etc.), you generally find there has been some type of economic hardship prior to that rise.
Agree with the others .... But Islamic is different . Plenty of wealth in that region . They choose to live this way. They could have easily advanced their society but have chosen to stay into the dark ages .
(11-27-2015, 08:02 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Agree with the others .... But Islamic is different . Plenty of wealth in that region . They choose to live this way. They could have easily advanced their society but have chosen to stay into the dark ages .
(11-27-2015, 08:29 PM)GMDino Wrote: Yes. No better way to make people want to better themselves or get out of the recruitment type situations than by isolating them with the recruiters.
Top notch idea there.
they bring their violence here. Close em off. Let them sort themselves out. Then once they can show they can live like civilized people. Then we can let them visit.
(11-27-2015, 10:52 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: they bring their violence here. Close em off. Let them sort themselves out. Then once they can show they can live like civilized people. Then we can let them visit.
Sure they do...in your fevered dreams.
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Only 20% of the global Muslim population lives in the Middle East and North Africa. Let's ignore annoying things like facts and pretend like most of them did live in the Middle East and we shut them off. Would we then have to give back everything they preserved from the ancient world while Europe was busy being "uncivilized" in the dark ages? What about all of the scientific, medical, and mathematical advances made during the Islamic Golden Age? Should we just give that back?
"Sorry, we don't need your 'savage' algebra". I know a lot of my students would be happy with that. Less time spent on algebra, more time spent learning how to mow their grass.
Before we isolate them, should we go back and fix all of the problems we caused by drawing borders based on Western needs instead of preserving centuries old tribal and ethnic divisions? After the World Wars, we realized the issues that causes in Europe and sought to create nations based on ethnic identities. We didn't want another "uncivilized" affair like the first World Wars that saw hundreds of millions of Europeans slaughter each other over things like one guy getting shot. Savage...
Maybe we should apologize for promising many in the Middle East that they would have self determination if they helped defeat the empire that controlled them, only to leave them out after the war was over and divide them up as colonies while taking land from Palestinians and giving European Jews a state that they could self govern. How would we react if Iran secretly installed a dictator as our leader?
The reason why radical Muslims care more about religious identity than ethnic identity is because we spent the last 100 years destroying any ability for them to have an ethnic identity. They're modeling their behavior after European nationalism of the late 19th century and Early 20th century.
(11-28-2015, 11:28 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Only 20% of the global Muslim population lives in the Middle East and North Africa. Let's ignore annoying things like facts and pretend like most of them did live in the Middle East and we shut them off. Would we then have to give back everything they preserved from the ancient world while Europe was busy being "uncivilized" in the dark ages? What about all of the scientific, medical, and mathematical advances made during the Islamic Golden Age? Should we just give that back?
"Sorry, we don't need your 'savage' algebra". I know a lot of my students would be happy with that. Less time spent on algebra, more time spent learning how to mow their grass.
Before we isolate them, should we go back and fix all of the problems we caused by drawing borders based on Western needs instead of preserving centuries old tribal and ethnic divisions? After the World Wars, we realized the issues that causes in Europe and sought to create nations based on ethnic identities. We didn't want another "uncivilized" affair like the first World Wars that saw hundreds of millions of Europeans slaughter each other over things like one guy getting shot. Savage...
Maybe we should apologize for promising many in the Middle East that they would have self determination if they helped defeat the empire that controlled them, only to leave them out after the war was over and divide them up as colonies while taking land from Palestinians and giving European Jews a state that they could self govern. How would we react if Iran secretly installed a dictator as our leader?
The reason why radical Muslims care more about religious identity than ethnic identity is because we spent the last 100 years destroying any ability for them to have an ethnic identity. They're modeling their behavior after European nationalism of the late 19th century and Early 20th century.
It took educated Brits and Dutch a couple hundred years to make the greatest nation the world has ever seen..... And they did it by transforming barbaric people to what we know today. You speak of how great the middle was/is.... It's been how long and they still haven't achieved our level of greatness. They still are barbaric with people starving. Whereas our starving people are fat.
Great things have come from that area but they refuse to progress with modern society . Despite the resources available to transform their countries.
(11-28-2015, 03:38 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: It took educated Brits and Dutch a couple hundred years to make the greatest nation the world has ever seen..... And they did it by transforming barbaric people to what we know today. You speak of how great the middle was/is.... It's been how long and they still haven't achieved our level of greatness. They still are barbaric with people starving. Whereas our starving people are fat.
Great things have come from that area but they refuse to progress with modern society . Despite the resources available to transform their countries.
Out of curiosity, which country did the British and Dutch spend hundreds of years to transform "barbaric people" into "the greatest nation the world has ever seen"?
(11-28-2015, 03:38 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: It took educated Brits and Dutch a couple hundred years to make the greatest nation the world has ever seen..... And they did it by transforming barbaric people to what we know today. You speak of how great the middle was/is.... It's been how long and they still haven't achieved our level of greatness. They still are barbaric with people starving. Whereas our starving people are fat.
Great things have come from that area but they refuse to progress with modern society . Despite the resources available to transform their countries.
Ancient Greece?
Rome?
Egypt?
Great Britain?
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(11-28-2015, 04:15 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Out of curiosity, which country did the British and Dutch spend hundreds of years to transform "barbaric people" into "the greatest nation the world has ever seen"?
British and Dutch colonists. They came here, and turned north America into something great . Something the inhabitants could never do .
Like I have said in the past. I'm glad we were a British colony . Had we been a Spanish Colony we would be 3rd world.
Is the pope referring to people like the 19 responsible for over 3000 American deaths? They don't seem to have fit his profile. Radicals come from all different socio economic classes.
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(11-28-2015, 10:23 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: British and Dutch colonists. They came here, and turned north America into something great . Something the inhabitants could never do .
Like I have said in the past. I'm glad we were a British colony . Had we been a Spanish Colony we would be 3rd world.
The British and Dutch caused this? That's a bold claim that I would love to see some evidence to support. I'd argue the founding fathers and all those who came after them to lead the US have far more to do with the fact that the US became what it is.
You also said the British and Dutch transformed "barbaric people" to do this. How so?
(11-29-2015, 12:46 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: The British and Dutch caused this? That's a bold claim that I would love to see some evidence to support. I'd argue the founding fathers and all those who came after them to lead the US have far more to do with the fact that the US became what it is.
You also said the British and Dutch transformed "barbaric people" to do this. How so?
British and Dutch colonists laid the foundation for their ancestors to build on. Had the Spanish came here instead we would be like Central and south America. Or even worse had no one came here this land would be at constant war within its borders. Because the native amercians never wanted a nation. They were too self absorbed with their tribes. Much like the Middle East is too caught up with their tribes or religious group to maintain any peace.
And we have gone over this, they didn't waste time trying to intergrate the natives. They just moved in and used the native Americans to fight each other while the Europeans transformed the land into something useable.
But hey if you want to go back to the Native American way then there are plenty of places in the world you can live like a third world person constantly at war with other tribes.
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