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Eventually, the truth always comes out - SunsetBengal - 07-21-2023 The FBI has been lying to the American public and attempting to cover up serious wrongs by a member of the POTUS' family, and potentially serious wrongs by the POTUS himself. They have went so far as to manipulate what you see, hear and read about the details of these actions. Some will claim this to just be a politically motivated partisan attack by one party against the other, but is it? Does anyone else feel like the FBI claiming that the Biden laptop was part of a "dump and drop" disinformation campaign by foreign actors, while they knew the laptop and the data within were true and factual had any bearing on the 2020 election? I, for one, am beginning to think so. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fbi-official-testifies-agency-knew-hunter-biden-laptop-was-real/ar-AA1e8ekz?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2d5e3055e9814ad195c8bc200d789721&ei=13 Quote:The same FBI personnel who warned social media companies that the Hunter Biden laptop could be part of a potential Russian "hack and leak" operation ahead of the 2020 election knew that it was not disinformation, an FBI official told the House Judiciary Committee. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - hollodero - 07-21-2023 I think it's possible. Sidenote, even if it is so, I do not think that voting republican would be a viable fix. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - Stewy - 07-21-2023 Hunter Biden should be in jail most likely. The FBI should not cover up for anyone. Jim Jordan is one of the biggest pieces of shyt known to humanity, so take anything he does with a low level of credibility. I'm a conservative and until the MAGA movement is dead, I'm not voting for Republicans. Finally - there's not one shred of evidence of wrongdoing by Joe Biden. There is nothing but allusion and speculation. As a matter of fact, when sources have come out, even non-credible ones, they do not name him. Therefore aside from the FBI needing some knuckle smacks, and Hunter Biden needing to be brought to justice for any illegal acts, this is a nothing burger to me. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - HarleyDog - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 10:20 AM)Stewy Wrote: Hunter Biden should be in jail most likely. I got to meet JJ once during a logistics business open house. He was there to listen and address concerns within the trucking industry. Seemed like a good guy to me. Very polite and professional, was not in a hurry, and seemed genuine. I say this because I feel most people only see the bits and pieces the media wants you to see. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - michaelsean - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 10:20 AM)Stewy Wrote: Hunter Biden should be in jail most likely. Unless they were hiding it to protect Joe in the election. That's not necessarily Joe's fault, but that is a real problem if the FBI took it upon themselves to do that. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - HarleyDog - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 10:41 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Unless they were hiding it to protect Joe in the election. That's not necessarily Joe's fault, but that is a real problem if the FBI took it upon themselves to do that. If they were, who told them to do it? That's the big question. Who's behind it? RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - SunsetBengal - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 10:44 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: If they were, who told them to do it? That's the big question. Who's behind it? The same ones who allowed endless investigations over a phony Steele Dossier, when they knew it was crap, but allowed FISA warrants anyway. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - samhain - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 10:40 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: I got to meet JJ once during a logistics business open house. He was there to listen and address concerns within the trucking industry. Seemed like a good guy to me. Very polite and professional, was not in a hurry, and seemed genuine. I say this because I feel most people only see the bits and pieces the media wants you to see. Did you ask him why he covered for the doctor that was sexually abusing all of those wrestlers? I hear he likes to watch. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - hollodero - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 10:53 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The same ones who allowed endless investigations over a phony Steele Dossier, when they knew it was crap, but allowed FISA warrants anyway. At this point I see a problem. Those same people kept this investigation into the Trump campaign secret while at the same time publicly announcing an investigation into Hillary just prior to the 2016 election. Which hurt her badly. If these people were so partisan and anti-Trump, why would this have happened. This makes no sense to me. Not to mention that said endless investigations led to multiple convictions and weren't all that sham. I feel that's worth mentioning. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - GMDino - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 10:40 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: I got to meet JJ once during a logistics business open house. He was there to listen and address concerns within the trucking industry. Seemed like a good guy to me. Very polite and professional, was not in a hurry, and seemed genuine. I say this because I feel most people only see the bits and pieces the media wants you to see. Dude covered up sexual abuse of boys...he is not a "good guy". RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - Stewy - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 10:40 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: I got to meet JJ once during a logistics business open house. He was there to listen and address concerns within the trucking industry. Seemed like a good guy to me. Very polite and professional, was not in a hurry, and seemed genuine. I say this because I feel most people only see the bits and pieces the media wants you to see. Tough to get away from direct quotes, links to videos, news articles from legitimate press (AP, Reuters, BBC, Forbes, etc.) that paint the same picture as what's on CNN. So either every news source is biased but FOX (and FOX isn't news but entertainment) or JJ is really a POS. The whole world isn't a conspiracy, Harley, some things are what they are. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - Nately120 - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 10:40 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: I got to meet JJ once during a logistics business open house. He was there to listen and address concerns within the trucking industry. Seemed like a good guy to me. Very polite and professional, was not in a hurry, and seemed genuine. I say this because I feel most people only see the bits and pieces the media wants you to see. I knew a few people back home who were pretty ok guys as long as you didn't look at their RSO pages. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - HarleyDog - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 12:17 PM)Stewy Wrote: Tough to get away from direct quotes, links to videos, news articles from legitimate press (AP, Reuters, BBC, Forbes, etc.) that paint the same picture as what's on CNN. So either every news source is biased but FOX (and FOX isn't news but entertainment) or JJ is really a POS. What are you trying to cover up? RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - Stewy - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 12:36 PM)HarleyDog Wrote: What are you trying to cover up? lol - I'm not a politician. I get to keep my secrets. :) RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - Dill - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 10:40 AM)HarleyDog Wrote: I got to meet JJ once during a logistics business open house. He was there to listen and address concerns within the trucking industry. Seemed like a good guy to me. Very polite and professional, was not in a hurry, and seemed genuine. I say this because I feel most people only see the bits and pieces the media wants you to see. Jim Jordan wants us to see those "bits and pieces" too, doesn't he? The shrill grandstanding captured in Congressional hearings aren't like some paparazzi catching him off guard while he takes out the garbage. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - HarleyDog - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 05:05 PM)Dill Wrote: Jim Jordan wants us to see those "bits and pieces" too, doesn't he? Of course, but you know what I'm talking about. The old taken-out-of-context routine. The grandstanding doesn't bother me much. To be fair, there was enough grandstanding when the Dems were in charge and I think he may feel like it's his turn. I'm not sticking up for the guy. I only gave my opinion of how I felt after meeting him. I like the dude, and honestly, the GOP bores me. So he's fun to watch. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - Dill - 07-21-2023 (07-21-2023, 10:53 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: The same ones who allowed endless investigations over a phony Steele Dossier, when they knew it was crap, but allowed FISA warrants anyway. I think the FBI was not totally forthcoming in discussing the dossier with Congress; and they have paid a price for that by allowing the GOP to divert attention from serious issues of national and election security. In 2020, the Senate Judiciary Committee (led by Democrat Dick Durbin) confirmed that the FBI knew Steele's sources were "word of mouth" and "hearsay," with enormous chain of custody problems, and that earlier FBI testimony had framed some of Steele's conclusions as part of the raw data of the dossier--but failed to adequately apprise the Congress of that. I understand why people who don't understand much about how raw data is evaluated, and treat the dossier a final product which solely guided the FBI in its investigation, might now want to call the investigations themselves a "hoax"--with a great deal of help from Hannity and Fox--"We now know the FISA warrants were based on the 'discredited' dossier" etc. Though Trump himself was never under investigation for collusion (he did later come under investigation for obstruction), I still hear the claim that a "fake" dossier was used to go after HIM (not attributing that to you, Sunset). But according to the FBI and the documentary records they have supplied Congress, The initial FISA warrant was triggered by the behavior of people in Trump's campaign--beginning with an alert by an Australian ambassador--all before evaluation of the dossier was underway. Only at a later point was some info from the dossier used in the Carter Page warrants--along with other sources which cannot be revealed. The dossier's alleged election interference by Russians, and multiple contacts between Trump campaign officials and Russian spies/operatives, were confirmed in later FBI investigations based on other evidence. E.g. the dossier's claim that Russians appeared to have stolen Hillary emails was confirmed, as was the FSB's decision to support Trump over Hilary. That's all corroboration from other sources, and found in the dossier BEFORE the FBI knew it and corroborated it with other "reliable" sources. They also discovered that Michael Cohen could not have been in Prague, and did not think Trump's golden showers in Moscow credible, though they could neither confirm nor disconfirm. Like Hunter Biden's laptop, it smacked of FSB disinformation. Those "endless investigations" also uncovered rather a deal of actual wrong doing, ending in at least 8 convictions of Americans for crimes actually committed--convictions NOT based on the dossier. And jail time until Trump brought out the Pardon pad, negating legal convictions--and the point of investigating threats to national security. Almost forgot--about 26 foreign nationals were also convicted, including 13 Russian agents. Howz that bad? https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/why-team-trump-wrong-about-carter-page-dossier-secret-warrant-n893666 https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/07/politics/dossier-two-years-later/index.html Safe to say the sources were very questionable, and that's common in raw intel data. But it's still hard to dismiss that fact that essential parts of this "hearsay" were later corroborated. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - NATI BENGALS - 07-22-2023 I thought the DOJ had a policy about not commenting on ongoing investigations? Knowing how Comey publicly commenting about an investigation and Russian hackers releasing hacked emails at Trumps request swayed the 2016 election. I can understand the letter signed by 50 former people if they were indeed retired and had no direct knowledge of the laptop. Who would have guessed Hunter was dumb enough to leave an incriminating laptop behind? I have serious questions about the timing of the laptop story. I see it as another obvious attempt to steal another election with fear and hysteria. They had the laptop in 2019. America finds out about it weeks before the election late 2020…….. not a coincidence at all. So the GOP is butthurt their October surprise didn’t work to steal the presidency and so now America gets to hear about it daily going on 4 years now. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - Luvnit2 - 07-22-2023 (07-21-2023, 11:01 AM)hollodero Wrote: At this point I see a problem. Those same people kept this investigation into the Trump campaign secret while at the same time publicly announcing an investigation into Hillary just prior to the 2016 election. Which hurt her badly. If these people were so partisan and anti-Trump, why would this have happened. This makes no sense to me. I guess I am confused as we fast forward and Trump was 100% correct, it was a partisan political Mueller investigation fueled by a fake dossier the F.B.I. never collaborated. On the other hand, HRC was guilty, even Democrat Comey said she was guilty, but said no reasonable Now we see Trump continues to be harassed by the same F.B.I. and D.O.J. who are and have protected the Biden family, yes Joe also as new evidence is out daily. Only a liberal hack would support any Democrat for senator, congress or P.O.T.U.S. In time, the money trail will be found to Joe, his son , his brother, sister and his grandchildren. RE: Eventually, the truth always comes out - Dill - 07-22-2023 (07-22-2023, 03:58 AM)Luvnit2 Wrote: I guess I am confused as we fast forward and Trump was 100% correct, it was a partisan political Mueller investigation fueled by a fake dossier the F.B.I. never collaborated. On the other hand, HRC was guilty, even Democrat Comey said she was guilty, but said no reasonable Hollo was wondering why, if the FBI were protecting Hilary, that Comey would tank her presidential run by saying she was "guilty." That doesn't fit with the "FBI harassed Trump" thesis. Could be Hollo does not believe everything Trump says. If he did, the Comey intervention would not matter to him. |