(10-09-2023, 09:06 AM)Daddy-O Wrote: Looked like Volson and OB have never seen a stunt before.  I have a hard time believing these were consistent missed assignments, rather likely more lack of preparation.

After the Jim Turner debacle I was all about Pollack.  But now think we need someone else.  Too much talent on that line to be that bad in the first half of that game.  Plus, OL don't develop under Pollack, while others who come from other places seem to regress.

(10-09-2023, 08:39 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote:   So with that in mind, if the Bengals elect to make a change at the OL coaching position, who would you like to see them target for the job?

(10-09-2023, 09:06 AM)Daddy-O Wrote: Looked like Volson and OB have never seen a stunt before.  I have a hard time believing these were consistent missed assignments, rather likely more lack of preparation.

After the Jim Turner debacle I was all about Pollack.  But now think we need someone else.  Too much talent on that line to be that bad in the first half of that game.  Plus, OL don't develop under Pollack, while others who come from other places seem to regress.

(10-09-2023, 08:39 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: As we watched what should have been a completely dominating win that should have been put away in the first half not get sealed until much later in the game, largely in part of the OL's inability to pick up stunts and blitzes or gain consistent movement in the running game.  We can single out individual players for their particular issues, but the one constant that has been there and supposed to be teaching communication and have that group working together as a unit is OL coach Frank Pollack.

Those 3 first half sacks, all on 3rd downs were drive killers, drives that likely could have ended in scores putting the game out of reach before the half.  Down inside the 5, not being able to move a defensive front that was beaten up pretty good by the 49ers just the week before off of the ball is simply unacceptable.  

As fans it's frustrating to watch, all we can do is come on here and grumble about it.  So with that in mind, if the Bengals elect to make a change at the OL coaching position, who would you like to see them target for the job?

(10-09-2023, 09:28 AM)Synric Wrote: I could argue Jim Turner was more successful than Frank Pollack has been. Turner was a big part of them completely redesigning the rush offense in the second half of 2019.

Really other than that half year in 2019 the rush offense has been crap. How about we look at more than just the OL Coach and maybe say hey we need someone in here than can design a rushing attack.


I mentioned in the Draft Section I was a fan of Sherrone Moore Michigan OC/OL Coach.

(10-09-2023, 09:31 AM)Wyche Wrote: Isn't Pollack also the run game coordinator?

(10-09-2023, 09:28 AM)Synric Wrote: I could argue Jim Turner was more successful than Frank Pollack has been. Turner was a big part of them completely redesigning the rush offense in the second half of 2019.

Really other than that half year in 2019 the rush offense has been crap. How about we look at more than just the OL Coach and maybe say hey we need someone in here than can design a rushing attack.


I mentioned in the Draft Section I was a fan of Sherrone Moore Michigan OC/OL Coach.

(10-09-2023, 09:39 AM)Synric Wrote: I would say the offense scheme is a 3 headed monster between Zac Brian and Frank. The way the offense was disjointed starting last year and the very little creativity to the rush offense makes me lean toward Callahan and Taylor being the major culprits.

(10-09-2023, 09:23 AM)Goalpost Wrote: I don't know how much money Pollack makes.  Is there a list for NFL coaches with salaries?   Here's what the top college coaches make in 2023.

https://footballscoop.com/news/the-highest-paid-offensive-line-coaches-in-college-football-2023-edition

(10-09-2023, 09:39 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Many good points here. Turner is a great X’s and O’s OL coach but struggles mightily in everything else. Sherrone Moore is a great coach. Pollack to me is not a great evaluator or designer like you said. The rushing offense needs a total revamp. It’s not just about eating glass.

(10-09-2023, 09:39 AM)Soonerpeace Wrote: Many good points here. Turner is a great X’s and O’s OL coach but struggles mightily in everything else. Sherrone Moore is a great coach. Pollack to me is not a great evaluator or designer like you said. The rushing offense needs a total revamp. It’s not just about eating glass.

(10-09-2023, 09:09 AM)Frank Booth Wrote: dont say anything bad about Volson to Sunset

he still has me quoted on his signature because I called him a "meh" player. Turns out I gave Volson too much praise

(10-09-2023, 09:48 AM)WeezyBengal Wrote: How can you like Volson? The guy is terrible. 

(10-09-2023, 08:39 AM)SunsetBengal Wrote: As we watched what should have been a completely dominating win that should have been put away in the first half not get sealed until much later in the game, largely in part of the OL's inability to pick up stunts and blitzes or gain consistent movement in the running game.  We can single out individual players for their particular issues, but the one constant that has been there and supposed to be teaching communication and have that group working together as a unit is OL coach Frank Pollack.

Those 3 first half sacks, all on 3rd downs were drive killers, drives that likely could have ended in scores putting the game out of reach before the half.  Down inside the 5, not being able to move a defensive front that was beaten up pretty good by the 49ers just the week before off of the ball is simply unacceptable.  

As fans it's frustrating to watch, all we can do is come on here and grumble about it.  So with that in mind, if the Bengals elect to make a change at the OL coaching position, who would you like to see them target for the job?

(10-09-2023, 09:51 AM)THE PISTONS Wrote: Yeah. And Arizona doesn't have a good pass rush.

The Rams and Titans have a great interior pass rush and they can totally disrupt our offense with it.

I kind of wonder how much the offensive woes were Burrow's calf and how much was interior pressure getting there quick and messing with his reads. At any rate, it's not 100% one or the other.