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State Department sued for withholding refugee records - StLucieBengal - 12-14-2015 http://freebeacon.com/issues/state-department-sued-for-withholding-refugee-records/ I think learning the process and how they decide to place people in certain areas is worth knowing. If we are getting stuck with them anyway the least they could do it be transparent on the process. Quote:The State Department is being sued in a district court for allegedly withholding scores of documents and inter-agency communications detailing refugee resettlement efforts since 2014, according to an announcement of the suit on Monday. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - michaelsean - 12-14-2015 Well the murderer in CA was checked three times. Turns out they decided not to check her social media. That's some in depth checking right there. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - StLucieBengal - 12-14-2015 (12-14-2015, 04:00 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Well the murderer in CA was checked three times. Turns out they decided not to check her social media. That's some in depth checking right there. K-1 visa for anyone else forces a meeting and visual history together. With supporting documents. For a Muslim it's waived. Sorry but that is bs. Carving out exceptions for those who live in the Stone Age where women can not meet and take a photo with their potential husbands is unacceptable. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - Goalpost - 12-14-2015 Glad that someone is checking. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - SunsetBengal - 12-14-2015 (12-14-2015, 04:17 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: As I understand, they're calling it the 'KY visa', these days. I guess, so that they can slide in easier.. http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/12/refugee-screening-official-asked-about-syrian-program-her-answer-is-mind-blowing/ RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - Benton - 12-14-2015 (12-14-2015, 04:17 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: K-1 visa for anyone else forces a meeting and visual history together. With supporting documents. For a Muslim it's waived. Sorry but that is bs. Carving out exceptions for those who live in the Stone Age where women can not meet and take a photo with their potential husbands is unacceptable. Good grief, do a google search before you type this stuff. K-1's are for fiancees. You can petition on a case-by-case basis for the U.S. citizen to not have met his bride, but otherwise it follows the same standard of documentation. You've still got to have personal info. The exemption only covers things like arranged marriages, but those people still have to go through the screening process. It only exempts the requirement that the bride/groom have met. http://www.uscis.gov/family/family-us-citizens/fiancee-visa/fiancee-visas * You (the petitioner) are a U.S. citizen. * You intend to marry within 90 days of your fiancé(e) entering the United States. * You and your fiancé(e) are both free to marry and any previous marriages must have been legally terminated by divorce, death, or annulment. * You met each other, in person, at least once within 2 years of filing your petition. There are two exceptions that require a waiver: 1. If the requirement to meet would violate strict and long-established customs of your or your fiancé(e)’s foreign culture or social practice. 2. If you prove that the requirement to meet would result in extreme hardship to you. There's no "muslim" exception. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/us/san-bernardino-attacks-us-visa-process-tashfeen-maliks-remarks-on-social-media-about-jihad-were-missed.html?_r=1 Quote:Ms. Malik faced three extensive national security and criminal background screenings. First, Homeland Security officials checked her name against American law enforcement and national security databases. Then, her visa application went to the State Department, which checked her fingerprints against other databases. Finally, after coming to the United States and formally marrying Mr. Farook here, she applied for her green card and received another round of criminal and security checks. http://www.hooyou.com/k-1/k-1-exceptions.html http://www.visanow.com/k-1-fiance-visa-requirements-met-person/ http://richardbracken.com/waiver-of-the-k-1-visa-two-year-meeting-requirement/ You want to stop terrorist from coming in? Fund current immigration laws, increase intelligence spending. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - Mike M (the other one) - 12-14-2015 It is very hard to get a waiver for the meeting part of the documentation. I'm not saying that it can't be done, just that it's very hard and increases the approval time significantly. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - StLucieBengal - 12-15-2015 (12-14-2015, 08:51 PM)Benton Wrote: Good grief, do a google search before you type this stuff. I am well versed in the k-1 process. The culture exception is nonsense . RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - GMDino - 12-15-2015 (12-14-2015, 08:51 PM)Benton Wrote: Good grief, do a google search before you type this stuff. But...but...Muslims. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - Benton - 12-15-2015 (12-15-2015, 01:47 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I am well versed in the k-1 process. The culture exception is nonsense . I don't think — if they're planning to attack something — they're going to have a problem lying about whether or not they've met. What you're complaining about is incidental and misdirects from the real problem: the woman passed through three security checks and TWO face-to-face interviews. The screening — for whatever reason — didn't work. That's what needs to be addressed, not what type of visa she was here on. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - StLucieBengal - 12-16-2015 (12-15-2015, 12:00 PM)Benton Wrote: I don't think — if they're planning to attack something — they're going to have a problem lying about whether or not they've met. What you're complaining about is incidental and misdirects from the real problem: the woman passed through three security checks and TWO face-to-face interviews. K-1 or K-3 visa's shouldn't have any exceptions to circumvent the criteria. Hiding behind saying that your culture doesn't allow you to see your wife before you marry isn't an excuse. There is a criteria set and it should be the same for all. That's all I am saying. I am speaking to the policy that the administration allowed these short cuts. If you can't show that you and your fiancé or wife have had a history is being together that includes more than a dating site or whatsapp. Should be able to see a history of flights, hotel reservations, visiting visa applications, photos, friends and family should know about them. Now if you want to take away those standards then it should be the same for all. But then you get back to the rush of Ukrainian, Georgian and filipino women coming over to marry americans. Which is fine but we need to be consistent. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - Benton - 12-16-2015 (12-16-2015, 12:27 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: K-1 or K-3 visa's shouldn't have any exceptions to circumvent the criteria. Hiding behind saying that your culture doesn't allow you to see your wife before you marry isn't an excuse. There is a criteria set and it should be the same for all. That's all I am saying. I am speaking to the policy that the administration allowed these short cuts. If you can't show that you and your fiancé or wife have had a history is being together that includes more than a dating site or whatsapp. Should be able to see a history of flights, hotel reservations, visiting visa applications, photos, friends and family should know about them. I just don't see the shortcut. "You want to kill infidels? GREAT! Oh, you aren't willing to lie and say we've already met? Nuts, I guess we'll give up." ![]() As far as the cultural exception, meh. A family I grew up with was from Greece. They were Christians. Their two sons had arranged marriages. Their daughter had an arranged marriage with someone from Greece she'd never met. It's not all third world countries, or religions you deem inferior. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - StLucieBengal - 12-16-2015 (12-16-2015, 12:54 AM)Benton Wrote: I just don't see the shortcut. If you can't show a relationship then you shouldn't be coming here via marriage. Here in the west our relationships are public and we spend time together courting..... We know about our spouses and their families. Not sure why some get a free pass when others are held to the standard. Am I to assume you are ok with having no relationship history standards for k-1 or k-3 visa? For all applicants. And if you are then would you limit how many per year or by country? Or are you ok with letting as many as possible from any country? RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - GMDino - 12-16-2015 (12-16-2015, 01:09 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: If you can't show a relationship then you shouldn't be coming here via marriage. Here in the west our relationships are public and we spend time together courting..... We know about our spouses and their families. Not sure why some get a free pass when others are held to the standard. Who is "we"? My best friend and college roommate never met my wife until the night before we got married. Neither did 98% of my family. Same goes for me and my wife's family. In college I dated a girl that the only people who met her were my 4 closest friends. And even then they didn't know where we went on dates or what we did. I honest to jebus wish I understood YOUR definition of what life is like "in the west". Maybe you'd look less crazy when you post about "our" culture. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - Benton - 12-16-2015 (12-16-2015, 01:09 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: If you can't show a relationship then you shouldn't be coming here via marriage. Here in the west our relationships are public and we spend time together courting..... We know about our spouses and their families. Not sure why some get a free pass when others are held to the standard. http://www.alittlewhitechapel.com/our-specials-packages/drive-thru-packages/ http://www.702wedding.com/las-vegas-drive-thru-weddings.asp http://www.drivethruidos.com/ Those are just a few of the first google results for drive through wedding chapels. Places you can get married in 5 minutes or less. We're the country that started that, in large part due to our culture of spontaneous marriages. Hell, my old roommate's mother (who was married six times) got married in Vegas twice to guys she just met. My wife and I only knew each other for a month before we ran off to Gatlinburg and got hitched. It's kind of ironic you talk about out dated customs and archaic people... but then you refer to a courting custom that isn't even in the majority here any more. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - StLucieBengal - 12-16-2015 (12-16-2015, 11:57 AM)Benton Wrote: http://www.alittlewhitechapel.com/our-specials-packages/drive-thru-packages/ These aren't people trying to get citizenship either. . So I guess you are ok with no proof of a relationship for a K-1 visa then? Oddly I do not know anyone who just met and married immediately. Some were quick marriages but always at least a monthish. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - Benton - 12-16-2015 (12-16-2015, 12:59 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: These aren't people trying to get citizenship either. . That wasn't the point being addressed. Quote:Here in the west our relationships are public and we spend time together courting..... We know about our spouses and their families. Not sure why some get a free pass when others are held to the standard. Getting married to someone you just met — in a parking lot — isn't extolling courtship rituals. RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - Se ky bengal - 12-16-2015 (12-16-2015, 12:59 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: These aren't people trying to get citizenship either. . My wife and I,met she spent the night at my place and we've been together for 17 years. Grant it we didn't marry right away,but never left. She was home ![]() RE: State Department sued for withholding refugee records - StLucieBengal - 12-17-2015 (12-16-2015, 06:07 PM)Se ky bengal Wrote: My wife and I,met she spent the night at my place and we've been together for 17 years. Grant it we didn't marry right away,but never left. She was home Marrying right away is the key point. She may have never left but you guys didn't seal it with marriage until later. Anything pre marriage would be considered a courtship. |