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48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - StLucieBengal - 01-29-2016 http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/489-union-members-worked-government-2015 I realize I am anti Union in general but it just seems wrong that their are public workers who are unionized. No public workers should be able to strike. When I was teaching I always felt like it hurt good teachers and only provided cover for the teachers who were playing out the string. Quote:(CNSNews.com) - The percentage of American wage and salary workers who belonged to a union was only 11.1 percent in 2015, but the percentage of union members who worked for government was 48.9 percent, according to data released today by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 02:31 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/489-union-members-worked-government-2015 Income equality continues to evaporate and private sector union membership declines at the same time. Must be a coincidence? Also interesting that you lament the power of the government yet want government employees to be helpless drones for it. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - Belsnickel - 01-29-2016 A union in its intended form for public employees is a good thing. Our jobs are politicized and subject to the uncertainty of the election cycle even though we are not elected officials. An election shake up can result in lost jobs, cut wages, and reduced benefits. I live in a state where public employees are not unionized and we are the worst compensated public employees in the country. I don't think that is a coincidence. It can't be denied that public sector unions have done some damage, and that is why reform would be good, but I also can't deny their benefit as I sit on the outside looking in. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - BmorePat87 - 01-29-2016 What an odd way of representing these numbers. They state that 11% of private sector wage/salary earners are union members and then state that a little less than half of all union members work for the government. Why not give the percent of government workers who are union members so that it is an even comparison? Sure, it's a lower percentage, but it makes just as much of a point that government workers are more likely to be unionized. 11% of public versus 38% of government. Looking the data, it appears that membership increases as you go from federal to state to local. That makes sense. Local level is your teachers, cops, firefighters, etc. The people who do a lot for their communities but are usually not very well compensated. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - fredtoast - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 02:31 AM)StLucieBengal Wrote: When I was teaching I always felt like it hurt good teachers How did the unions hurt good teachers? RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - Belsnickel - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 10:37 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Looking the data, it appears that membership increases as you go from federal to state to local. That makes sense. Local level is your teachers, cops, firefighters, etc. The people who do a lot for their communities but are usually not very well compensated. In Virginia, local public employees are better compensated than employees of the Commonwealth in most cases. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - BmorePat87 - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 10:58 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: In Virginia, local public employees are better compensated than employees of the Commonwealth in most cases. I imagine that's true here too. Most jobs for the state don't pay well. It's the federal government jobs that rake in the big bucks. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - Vlad - 01-29-2016 The fact that we have double the amount of people working in government (22,000,000), than we do in all of manufacturing combined (11,000,0000, including fishing, farming, and forestry) has something to do with it. That was a 2011 stat. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - Benton - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 02:35 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Income equality continues to evaporate and private sector union membership declines at the same time. Must be a coincidence? Also interesting that you lament the power of the government yet want government employees to be helpless drones for it. This is one of the biggest reasons our middle class is shrinking. My opinion is it's in large part due to the trade agreements from the 90s on. A large chunk of U.S. manufacturing got exported with NAFTA. It was great for Canada and Mexico, but horrible for U.S. workers and taxing districts. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - Benton - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 10:45 AM)fredtoast Wrote: How did the unions hurt good teachers? They go for the knees. ![]() RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - michaelsean - 01-29-2016 My one problem with public unions, is who is representing the other side? Unions throw around a lot of money. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 11:34 AM)michaelsean Wrote: My one problem with public unions, is who is representing the other side? Unions throw around a lot of money. Uh, the government itself, which has a hell of a lot more money than the unions. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - michaelsean - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 11:36 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Uh, the government itself, which has a hell of a lot more money than the unions. Yeah as in elected officials who like money for their campaigns. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - BmorePat87 - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 11:37 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Yeah as in elected officials who like money for their campaigns. It should be noted that the interest group side of unions is separate from the labor side. Union dues are not used for political purposes. I think one of the silliest things is when people act like they're not interest groups, though. If you're railing against the Pharmaceutical Industry being in politics, you have to rail against this too. Money is money. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 11:37 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Yeah as in elected officials who like money for their campaigns. 100% incorrect. The other side of the bargaining table is manned by people whose job is to participate in negotiations. They have other duties as well, but none of them are elected officials. I'm glad you brought this up though, it's a very common fallacy among public sector union haters that they're essentially bargaining against themselves. Nothing could be further from the truth. I can tell you our most recent bargaining was full of acrimony, it's probably more contentious than most private sector negotiations. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - michaelsean - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 11:46 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: 100% incorrect. The other side of the bargaining table is manned by people whose job is to participate in negotiations. They have other duties as well, but none of them are elected officials. I'm glad you brought this up though, it's a very common fallacy among public sector union haters that they're essentially bargaining against themselves. Nothing could be further from the truth. I can tell you our most recent bargaining was full of acrimony, it's probably more contentious than most private sector negotiations. Count me as one who was under that fallacy. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 11:47 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Count me as one who was under that fallacy. I can't honestly blame you as many government officials who want to eliminate unions spread this blatant lie. It's intentional and insidious. If you're not super rich or a politician you should want almost every worker in a union. While they can go too far, no arguments there, the regular worker having a modicum of power as part of a group is a good thing. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - Belsnickel - 01-29-2016 (01-29-2016, 11:51 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: I can't honestly blame you as many government officials who want to eliminate unions spread this blatant lie. It's intentional and insidious. If you're not super rich or a politician you should want almost every worker in a union. While they can go too far, no arguments there, the regular worker having a modicum of power as part of a group is a good thing. Very true. The operations of unions as a whole, not just public sector unions, is something that most of the public is unaware of because of the intentional spread of misinformation. I know some of the people that would be doing the negotiating were we a unionized workforce here, and I can say for certain that it would be far from easy to make any headway. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - StLucieBengal - 01-29-2016 fredto Wrote:How did the unions hurt good teachers? Locked in pay scale. So a teacher who has 10 years expierence and has mailed it in and a teacher with 10 years expierence who stays on the cutting edge of their profession while showing progress within the classroom..... They both get paid the same. There is zero incentive to be the best. Your pay is the same whether you just show up and watch movies or actually have in depth lessons. RE: 48.9% of Unions members work for the Government - StLucieBengal - 01-29-2016 Bent Wrote:This is one of the biggest reasons our middle class is shrinking. Yes. Clinton and old man bush killed the middle class. |