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Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - GMDino - 02-12-2016 Brownback is living the GOP dream! Soon there will be no Public Schools! ![]() Quote:TOPEKA Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/news/government-politics/article59751946.html#storylink=cpy RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - Benton - 02-12-2016 I'm glad for Kansas. Not for the people of Kansas. I feel bad for them, for raising their kids in an underfunded education system. I feel bad for business owners employing those kids. I feel bad for business owners trying to stay afloat as the state's job numbers slowly continue to go down (but up in some surrounding states not governed by idiots). But I'm glad the rest of us have Kansas as a shining example of why you can't cut taxes and services, expand cronyist tax breaks, and then expect growth in a consumer based economy. RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - michaelsean - 02-12-2016 What is block funding? RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - Benton - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 02:18 PM)michaelsean Wrote: What is block funding? The government (normally the granting agent is the feds, in this case it's the state) gives you a chunk of money with only a few strings attached. Like if it's for sewer improvements, they might give your municipality 80% of what it says it will cost. Your local taxes are supposed to cover the other 20%. And the feds will normally have only a few restrictions (no lead pipes, has to address a certain percentage of the population, has to be completed within a year, etc). That's opposed to specific taxes that most places use to generate funds and those dollars generated go to very specific uses. In this instance, instead of saying 'it costs X to run the district, and you have to follow these regulations for graduation rates, text books, teacher requirements and salary, pupil to teacher ratio, etc' Kansas is saying, 'it costs X to run a district, here's N, figure it out on your own.' The outcry is because some districts get more because essentially the state says so without much reasoning. Edit: I thought this article explained it a bit, too. http://www.kansas.com/news/local/article37377267.html The block-grant system, passed by the Legislature at Brownback’s request this year, essentially freezes funding for two years while the Legislature works toward crafting a new school finance plan. A three-judge school-finance court has ruled that the block grants fail to meet the constitutional requirement for the state to provide suitable funding for education – a ruling currently on appeal at the state Supreme Court. Under the old school finance formula, a district’s revenue was determined by its enrollment, plus “weightings” providing extra money for poor, limited-English and other harder-to-teach students. As an example of the stress brought on by the switch to block grants, the report cited Wichita schools’ struggle to fund education for an influx of foreign refugee children, even though the district has raised taxes, cut spending and dipped into reserves to fund this year’s operations. “The district is facing a squeeze from growing enrollment, increased operating expenditures, and flat state aid,” the report said. “The quandary is not unique to Wichita Public Schools.” RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - StLucieBengal - 02-12-2016 I'm ok with not funding public schools. Now drop property taxes and allow parents to find schools of their choice. Or better yet allow teachers to market themselves and have their own classrooms where each student pays the teacher for the time. Then parents get the preferred teachers and teachers can get paid what they value themselves. RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - Benton - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 05:09 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: I'm ok with not funding public schools. Now drop property taxes and allow parents to find schools of their choice. So... you're advocating what exactly? A total private pay education system? RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - StLucieBengal - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 07:18 PM)Benton Wrote: So... you're advocating what exactly? A total private pay education system? We pay now and get terrible results in public Ed for the money spent RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - Benton - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 07:34 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: We pay now and get terrible results in public Ed for the money spent That's debatable. I'm pretty happy with my kids public schools. Maybe you should move? ![]() But seriously, I don't see how going to private pay is conceivable. You'd end up with a largely uneducated populace. People won't pay 99 cents for a phone app. Restaurants have to charge extra for condiments because people are so cheap they steal the ketchup. Asking them to shell out several hundred dollars a week isn't going to work. And for those on social welfare, that's a ticket to their kids never getting out of poverty. RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - BmorePat87 - 02-12-2016 Pretty good public schools in Maryland. People come to my county for the schools. We're one of the top 5 richest in the country and no one seems to mind the higher property taxes. RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - StLucieBengal - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 07:48 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Pretty good public schools in Maryland. People come to my county for the schools. We're one of the top 5 richest in the country and no one seems to mind the higher property taxes. There are good school counties. Because he local area makes sure they are successful. Thing is it's not a one size fits all solution where we just spend more. Schools are as good as the parents are active. RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - StLucieBengal - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 07:44 PM)Benton Wrote: That's debatable. I'm pretty happy with my kids public schools. Maybe you should move? Private school here. But there Are some good public schools here. Martin county is better than St Lucie: If we went public We would move and be MartinBengal haha RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - Nately120 - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 07:34 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: We pay now and get terrible results in public Ed for the money spent Yes, but introducing capitalism makes me envision the education version of everyone mindlessly blowing their money on the school version of Starbucks, McDonalds, and Wal-Mart. I guess it's fitting that another aspect of American life moves towards the profitable, cheap, disposable, commodity direction. RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - BmorePat87 - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 08:25 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: There are good school counties. Because he local area makes sure they are successful. Thing is it's not a one size fits all solution where we just spend more. Schools are as good as the parents are active. Good thing education is in the hands of the states then. RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - StLucieBengal - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 09:59 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Good thing education is in the hands of the states then. All private schooling would be great. Plus the amount of home schooling would increase as well. But there would be more actual teachers marketing themselves to home schoolers. How awesome would it be for you to name your rate? That has to appeal to you. RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - StLucieBengal - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 09:25 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Yes, but introducing capitalism makes me envision the education version of everyone mindlessly blowing their money on the school version of Starbucks, McDonalds, and Wal-Mart. I guess it's fitting that another aspect of American life moves towards the profitable, cheap, disposable, commodity direction. Better than the low producing maximum cost version we have today. We have some success but we also have loads of failures. RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - Rotobeast - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 07:44 PM)Benton Wrote: That's debatable. I'm pretty happy with my kids public schools. Maybe you should move? Agreed. If this were to happen, there would be a large amount of kids getting no schooling at all. Without the influence of public schools, children will have even less in common with each other. The rift between cultures will grow larger and end up in near tribal warfare. I'm surprised Obama never tried Lucie's proposal. ![]() RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - StLucieBengal - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 10:35 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Agreed. Everyone would still get quality schooling. More private schools would pop up and tuition rates would drop like a rock. Plus it would stop the strangle hold the teachers union has on public schools. Would make it a better classroom expierence and would force mor parental involvement because it wouldn't be free. The people with no money can work at the school. Like my mom did when I was in grade school at my private school. She helped at lunch. RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - Rotobeast - 02-12-2016 (02-12-2016, 10:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Everyone would still get quality schooling. More private schools would pop up and tuition rates would drop like a rock. Plus it would stop the strangle hold the teachers union has on public schools. Would make it a better classroom expierence and would force mor parental involvement because it wouldn't be free. The people with no money can work at the school. Like my mom did when I was in grade school at my private school. She helped at lunch. That would be great, but we currently have a thread about people who will not work 6 hours/week to claim welfare. I doubt they'd get off the couch to make sure their child can get an education. I think there still needs to be some base of "free" public schooling. Maybe just eliminate the teachers union, so jobs could be competed for annually ? RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - Benton - 02-13-2016 (02-12-2016, 10:45 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Everyone would still get quality schooling. More private schools would pop up and tuition rates would drop like a rock. Plus it would stop the strangle hold the teachers union has on public schools. Would make it a better classroom expierence and would force mor parental involvement because it wouldn't be free. The people with no money can work at the school. Like my mom did when I was in grade school at my private school. She helped at lunch. you're going in two directions. First it's great because teachers could name their price, then it's great because tuition would drop like a rock. you're like the dick Cheney of education reform ![]() sorry Lucie, but it's a very progressive idea you've got there where people pay less and everyone makes more. That's worse than public school math. RE: Kansas Supreme Court gives state until June 30 to properly fund public schools - Benton - 02-13-2016 (02-12-2016, 10:59 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: That would be great, but we currently have a thread about people who will not work 6 hours/week to claim welfare. I volunteer at my daughter's school. One of the reasons it's one of the top 20 is the state is the parental involvement. There's about one volunteer for every 60 kids at any given time. That said, it's 10 minutes away from two other schools that are lucky to get two volunteers throughout the day for a few hundred kids. Makes a huge difference. But I don't think any more would show up to any of the schools. 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