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Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - GMDino - 03-21-2016 Quote:In a bid to prevent what has been called the biggest tax evasion scheme of its kind—and others like it—Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont has urged U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew to use his agency's authority to block the planned merger of two pharmaceutical giants. http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/18/enough-enough-sanders-demands-treasury-block-pfizer-tax-dodging-deal RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - NATI BENGALS - 03-21-2016 Stuff like this is why I like Bernie. RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - StLucieBengal - 03-21-2016 Go to a 10% flat tax across the board and this all fixes itself. Flat tax is actually communist idea anyway. So all you Bernie people should love it lol RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - CageTheBengal - 03-21-2016 I'm feeling the Bern. RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - JustWinBaby - 03-21-2016 (03-21-2016, 07:49 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Go to a 10% flat tax across the board and this all fixes itself. I don't have an issue with progressive taxation. I do have an issue with uncompetitive marginal corporate tax rates. For starters, corporate taxes are only 10% of revenues. And we are talking double and triple taxation - all the profits eventually end-up with individuals where it will be taxed (except when money remains overseas, again, because of tax rates/double taxation). So knock down the corporate rates to be more competitive and it eliminates the incentive for this behavior. Offset it by increasing cap gains and top marginal rates on individuals. Really a pretty simple solution, but then politicians wouldn't have "evil" corporations to demagogue. RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Bilbo Saggins - 03-21-2016 (03-21-2016, 07:49 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Go to a 10% flat tax across the board and this all fixes itself. How would a flat tax that would cut more deeply into the working and middle class's disposable incomes than those who have billions of dollars to play with like monopoly money qualify as a communist idea? And may I inquire how you can be so certain that a flat tax would solve each and every instance of tax evasion? Are there countries out there that have employed a 10% flat tax and have reported that all of their tax evasion problems have all fixed themselves? We really need some clarification on all of this because we need to throw more tax money down the most wasteful rathole of all time(the US military industrial complex) so as to keep it away from the moochers. RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Aquapod770 - 03-21-2016 (03-21-2016, 09:28 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: How would a flat tax that would cut more deeply into the working and middle class's disposable incomes than those who have billions of dollars to play with like monopoly money qualify as a communist idea? And may I inquire how you can be so certain that a flat tax would solve each and every instance of tax evasion? Are there countries out there that have employed a 10% flat tax and have reported that all of their tax evasion problems have all fixed themselves? We really need some clarification on all of this because we need to throw more tax money down the most wasteful rathole of all time(the US military industrial complex) so as to keep it away from the moochers. 10% is the current lowest tax bracket*.........don't know how that'd cut into the middle class, or cut "more deeply" into the working class. Unless of course you're talking about removing a lot of deductions, which then you've answered your next question. *(Other than the minimum tax bracket 0%) RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - michaelsean - 03-22-2016 So what do you do to determine which country is someone's base? Pfizer buys Allergen and says, OK we are an Irish country. What is the deciding factor that says, "No you are not. You pay here." Sales? Origination? Or where your headquarters are located maybe? RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - GMDino - 03-22-2016 (03-22-2016, 09:25 AM)michaelsean Wrote: So what do you do to determine which country is someone's base? Pfizer buys Allergen and says, OK we are an Irish country. What is the deciding factor that says, "No you are not. You pay here." Sales? Origination? Or where your headquarters are located maybe? American company buys foreign company they are American. Foreign company buys American company they are foreign. RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - michaelsean - 03-22-2016 (03-22-2016, 10:29 AM)GMDino Wrote: American company buys foreign company they are American. Forever? What obligates a company to remain American? Can they move their headquarters to Ireland and become an Irish company? RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Benton - 03-22-2016 (03-22-2016, 09:25 AM)michaelsean Wrote: So what do you do to determine which country is someone's base? Pfizer buys Allergen and says, OK we are an Irish country. What is the deciding factor that says, "No you are not. You pay here." Sales? Origination? Or where your headquarters are located maybe? In this instance, the bulk (all?) of the money Pfizer owes is deferred taxes. Money it owed and was allowed to hold off paying (usually to offset the profits with future liabilities). So it's not an issue of what will be the base, it's an issue of they already had a base (and all the legal benefits that comes from being based in the U.S.) and profited from it. My problem is, deferment is great for helping companies to right out rough spots. You have some boom years, great, you hold off on the taxes and it helps offset your bust years. But if we're going to let businesses essentially pay nothing or negative taxes (i.e., get more in benefits than they pay), the deferments have to be reduced or capped. RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - GMDino - 03-22-2016 (03-22-2016, 11:15 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Forever? What obligates a company to remain American? Can they move their headquarters to Ireland and become an Irish company? Sure they can. And they do. And they reap that benefit plus the benefit of being an "American company". Just like it says in the OP. RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Rotobeast - 03-22-2016 This is why we need Trump, to impose triple-tariffs on any company moving their base of operations outside the US. M'urica ! RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Mike M (the other one) - 03-22-2016 Easy enough of a fix, if they declare themselves as an Irish company and no longer a US company, then all of their US patents become public and no royalties have to be paid for anyone that uses them. Now you'll have US companies offering the same product at a cheaper rate, since they didn't have to invest in the research part. They will just be manufacturing and selling it. So eff you Pfizer. RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Benton - 03-22-2016 (03-22-2016, 12:53 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Easy enough of a fix, if they declare themselves as an Irish company and no longer a US company, then all of their US patents become public and no royalties have to be paid for anyone that uses them. It would take a while to look up, but I'd bet the patents on their biggest money makers are probably getting close to expiring and becoming generics anyway. I know Pfizer has been playing around with how to handle their generic market. RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Mike M (the other one) - 03-22-2016 (03-22-2016, 01:00 PM)Benton Wrote: It would take a while to look up, but I'd bet the patents on their biggest money makers are probably getting close to expiring and becoming generics anyway. I know Pfizer has been playing around with how to handle their generic market. They have been, but they got Viagra in the US extended to December 2020. Lyrica is December 2018. So they are free to move now and lose their top seller and a top 5 right away. Lipitor expired in 2012, so they've already felt the loss of that one. Celebrex was going to expire in December of 2014, but they got an 18 month extension (June 2016). Beats losing them now, if they were to leave prior to Dec 2020 RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - michaelsean - 03-22-2016 Is that how the patent system works? I didn't think you had to be an American company to obtain a patent in America. RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Benton - 03-22-2016 (03-22-2016, 03:15 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: They have been, but they got Viagra in the US extended to December 2020. Lyrica is December 2018. That works out pretty well in their favor. Really all their looking at losing is Viagra. And most likely they'll sue citing the previous US extension and tie it up in court for a couple years. So, at worse, they lose a year or two of the Viagra extension (you're welcome for the free pun), and they get to keep $35 billion. And if I remember right, Viagra sales come in somewhere under $1 billion, but they've ben declining. So, at worst, they're up $33-34 billion even if they lose the Viagra patent and don't sell a single blue pill that year (which won't happen as some insurance companies still only cover name brand). At best, they're up $35-$38 billion with the back taxes and no drop off in Viagra sales. RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Benton - 03-22-2016 (03-22-2016, 03:40 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Is that how the patent system works? I didn't think you had to be an American company to obtain a patent in America. The big thing is protection of the patent. If some Chinese company steals your patent, the U.S. Attorney's office handles it. If some Chinese company tries to do a hostile takeover, the U.S. Attorney's office handles it. If you're an Irish company and a Chinese company tries to buy you out, they let you touch the Blarney Stone. RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - JustWinBaby - 03-22-2016 (03-22-2016, 03:49 PM)Benton Wrote: The big thing is protection of the patent. If some Chinese company steals your patent, the U.S. Attorney's office handles it. If some Chinese company tries to do a hostile takeover, the U.S. Attorney's office handles it. You do not have to be a US citizen or corporation to apply for and obtain a US patent. Over half of US patents granted, and re-issued, in 2014 had foreign origin. As usual, this is a bunch of bluster making promises or justifications that completely ignore how the world actually operates. |