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Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - GMDino - 03-21-2016

Quote:In a bid to prevent what has been called the biggest tax evasion scheme of its kind—and others like it—Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont has urged U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew to use his agency's authority to block the planned merger of two pharmaceutical giants.


Viagra-maker Pfizer's proposal to acquire Allergan, which manufactures Botox, is "nothing less than a tax scam," Sanders wrote in a letter (pdf) sent to Lew on Friday.

The so-called "corporate inversion," which would allow Pfizer to profit from a lower corporate tax rate in Allergan's home country of Ireland, could starve the U.S. government of up to $35 billion in tax revenue, Sanders said, citing a recent report from consumer group Americans for Tax Fairness. 


"Enough is enough," Sanders said in a statement on Friday. "Pfizer and other pharmaceutical companies cannot be allowed evade taxes and rip off American patients who already pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs."


"The stakes are high," wrote the Democratic presidential candidate. "I find it ironic that some of my Republican colleagues, in their internal budget negotiations, claim that $30 billion in deficit-reduction is required for the coming fiscal year. Preventing the inversion planned by just one company, Pfizer, could produce more deficit-reduction than the cuts they are demanding."


In the absence of Congressional action to limit inversions, Sanders called on the Treasury Department to block tax-dodging techniques like "hopscotch" loans and "earnings stripping"—for Pfizer and other potential corporate tax dodgers, too.


As explained by The Hill

Quote:Hopscotch loans occur when an inverted company moves untaxed overseas profits to U.S. shareholders through transactions that appear to be loans to the foreign parent. Treasury has already blocked hopscotch loans for inverted companies in which at least 60 percent of the merged company is owned by shareholders of the American company, but Pfizer shareholders would only own 56 percent of the combined company after its merger, according to the letter.
Earnings stripping is when U.S. subsidiaries deduct interest payments made to their foreign parents.

The report released last month by Americans for Tax Fairness found that if Pfizer's inversion goes through, the company could avoid paying as much as $35 billion in taxes through such tactics, even while it continues to aggressively raise drug prices.


"By dodging taxes while boosting prescription drug prices, Pfizer squeezes American families and communities from two sides at once," said Americans for Tax Fairness executive director Frank Clemente at the time. "In the company’s biggest insult to America yet, Pfizer’s merger would allow it to go on enjoying all the benefits of being based here—everything from a publicly-educated workforce, to an excellent communications infrastructure, to a reliable patent system—without adequately paying to support them."


On Thursday, Americans for Tax Fairness delivered more than 270,000 petition signatures to Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, as well as Sens. Richard Durbin (D-Ill.), Jack Reed (D-R.I.), and Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass), calling on Congress to support the Stop Corporate Inversions Act (S. 198).


Sanders' Corporate Tax Dodging Prevention Act (S. 922), introduced last year, also seeks to prevent offshore corporate tax avoidance schemes, including inversions.


http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/18/enough-enough-sanders-demands-treasury-block-pfizer-tax-dodging-deal


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - NATI BENGALS - 03-21-2016

Stuff like this is why I like Bernie.


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - StLucieBengal - 03-21-2016

Go to a 10% flat tax across the board and this all fixes itself.

Flat tax is actually communist idea anyway. So all you Bernie people should love it lol


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - CageTheBengal - 03-21-2016

I'm feeling the Bern. Cool


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - JustWinBaby - 03-21-2016

(03-21-2016, 07:49 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Go to a 10% flat tax across the board and this all fixes itself.

Flat tax is actually communist idea anyway.   So all you Bernie people should love it lol

I don't have an issue with progressive taxation.

I do have an issue with uncompetitive marginal corporate tax rates.  For starters, corporate taxes are only 10% of revenues.  And we are talking double and triple taxation - all the profits eventually end-up with individuals where it will be taxed (except when money remains overseas, again, because of tax rates/double taxation).

So knock down the corporate rates to be more competitive and it eliminates the incentive for this behavior.  Offset it by increasing cap gains and top marginal rates on individuals.

Really a pretty simple solution, but then politicians wouldn't have "evil" corporations to demagogue.


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Bilbo Saggins - 03-21-2016

(03-21-2016, 07:49 PM)StLucieBengal Wrote: Go to a 10% flat tax across the board and this all fixes itself.

Flat tax is actually communist idea anyway.   So all you Bernie people should love it lol

How would a flat tax that would cut more deeply into the working and middle class's disposable incomes than those who have billions of dollars to play with like monopoly money qualify as a communist idea? And may I inquire how you can be so certain that a flat tax would solve each and every instance of tax evasion? Are there countries out there that have employed a 10% flat tax and have reported that all of their tax evasion problems have all fixed themselves? We really need some clarification on all of this because we need to throw more tax money down the most wasteful rathole of all time(the US military industrial complex) so as to keep it away from the moochers.


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Aquapod770 - 03-21-2016

(03-21-2016, 09:28 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: How would a flat tax that would cut more deeply into the working and middle class's disposable incomes than those who have billions of dollars to play with like monopoly money qualify as a communist idea? And may I inquire how you can be so certain that a flat tax would solve each and every instance of tax evasion? Are there countries out there that have employed a 10% flat tax and have reported that all of their tax evasion problems have all fixed themselves? We really need some clarification on all of this because we need to throw more tax money down the most wasteful rathole of all time(the US military industrial complex) so as to keep it away from the moochers.

10% is the current lowest tax bracket*.........don't know how that'd cut into the middle class, or cut "more deeply" into the working class. Unless of course you're talking about removing a lot of deductions, which then you've answered your next question. 

*(Other than the minimum tax bracket 0%)


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - michaelsean - 03-22-2016

So what do you do to determine which country is someone's base? Pfizer buys Allergen and says, OK we are an Irish country. What is the deciding factor that says, "No you are not. You pay here." Sales? Origination? Or where your headquarters are located maybe?


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - GMDino - 03-22-2016

(03-22-2016, 09:25 AM)michaelsean Wrote: So what do you do to determine which country is someone's base?  Pfizer buys Allergen and says, OK we are an Irish country.  What is the deciding factor that says, "No you are not.  You pay here."  Sales?  Origination?  Or where your headquarters are located maybe?

American company buys foreign company they are American.

Foreign company buys American company they are foreign.  


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - michaelsean - 03-22-2016

(03-22-2016, 10:29 AM)GMDino Wrote: American company buys foreign company they are American.

Foreign company buys American company they are foreign.  

Forever?    What obligates a company to remain American?  Can they move their headquarters to Ireland and become an Irish company?


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Benton - 03-22-2016

(03-22-2016, 09:25 AM)michaelsean Wrote: So what do you do to determine which country is someone's base?  Pfizer buys Allergen and says, OK we are an Irish country.  What is the deciding factor that says, "No you are not.  You pay here."  Sales?  Origination?  Or where your headquarters are located maybe?

In this instance, the bulk (all?) of the money Pfizer owes is deferred taxes. Money it owed and was allowed to hold off paying (usually to offset the profits with future liabilities). So it's not an issue of what will be the base, it's an issue of they already had a base (and all the legal benefits that comes from being based in the U.S.) and profited from it.

My problem is, deferment is great for helping companies to right out rough spots. You have some boom years, great, you hold off on the taxes and it helps offset your bust years. But if we're going to let businesses essentially pay nothing or negative taxes (i.e., get more in benefits than they pay), the deferments have to be reduced or capped.


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - GMDino - 03-22-2016

(03-22-2016, 11:15 AM)michaelsean Wrote: Forever?    What obligates a company to remain American?  Can they move their headquarters to Ireland and become an Irish company?

Sure they can.  And they do.

And they reap that benefit plus the benefit of being an "American company".  Just like it says in the OP.


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Rotobeast - 03-22-2016

This is why we need Trump, to impose triple-tariffs on any company moving their base of operations outside the US.
Ninja

M'urica !


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Mike M (the other one) - 03-22-2016

Easy enough of a fix, if they declare themselves as an Irish company and no longer a US company, then all of their US patents become public and no royalties have to be paid for anyone that uses them.

Now you'll have US companies offering the same product at a cheaper rate, since they didn't have to invest in the research part. They will just be manufacturing and selling it. So eff you Pfizer.


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Benton - 03-22-2016

(03-22-2016, 12:53 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Easy enough of a fix, if they declare themselves as an Irish company and no longer a US company, then all of their US patents become public and no royalties have to be paid for anyone that uses them.

Now you'll have US companies offering the same product at a cheaper rate, since they didn't have to invest in the research part. They will just be manufacturing and selling it. So eff you Pfizer.

It would take a while to look up, but I'd bet the patents on their biggest money makers are probably getting close to expiring and becoming generics anyway. I know Pfizer has been playing around with how to handle their generic market.


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Mike M (the other one) - 03-22-2016

(03-22-2016, 01:00 PM)Benton Wrote: It would take a while to look up, but I'd bet the patents on their biggest money makers are probably getting close to expiring and becoming generics anyway. I know Pfizer has been playing around with how to handle their generic market.

They have been, but they got Viagra in the US extended to December 2020. Lyrica is December 2018.
So they are free to move now and lose their top seller and a top 5 right away.

Lipitor expired in 2012, so they've already felt the loss of that one.
Celebrex was going to expire in December of 2014, but they got an 18 month extension (June 2016).

Beats losing them now, if they were to leave prior to Dec 2020


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - michaelsean - 03-22-2016

Is that how the patent system works? I didn't think you had to be an American company to obtain a patent in America.


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Benton - 03-22-2016

(03-22-2016, 03:15 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: They have been, but they got Viagra in the US extended to December 2020. Lyrica is December 2018.
So they are free to move now and lose their top seller and a top 5 right away.

Lipitor expired in 2012, so they've already felt the loss of that one.
Celebrex was going to expire in December of 2014, but they got an 18 month extension (June 2016).

Beats losing them now, if they were to leave prior to Dec 2020

That works out pretty well in their favor.

Really all their looking at losing is Viagra. And most likely they'll sue citing the previous US extension and tie it up in court for a couple years. So, at worse, they lose a year or two of the Viagra extension (you're welcome for the free pun), and they get to keep $35 billion. And if I remember right, Viagra sales come in somewhere under $1 billion, but they've ben declining.

So, at worst, they're up $33-34 billion even if they lose the Viagra patent and don't sell a single blue pill that year (which won't happen as some insurance companies still only cover name brand). At best, they're up $35-$38 billion with the back taxes and no drop off in Viagra sales.


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - Benton - 03-22-2016

(03-22-2016, 03:40 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Is that how the patent system works?  I didn't think you had to be an American company to obtain a patent in America.

The big thing is protection of the patent. If some Chinese company steals your patent, the U.S. Attorney's office handles it. If some Chinese company tries to do a hostile takeover, the U.S. Attorney's office handles it.

If you're an Irish company and a Chinese company tries to buy you out, they let you touch the Blarney Stone.


RE: Enough is Enough': Sanders Demands Treasury Block Pfizer Tax Dodging Deal - JustWinBaby - 03-22-2016

(03-22-2016, 03:49 PM)Benton Wrote: The big thing is protection of the patent. If some Chinese company steals your patent, the U.S. Attorney's office handles it. If some Chinese company tries to do a hostile takeover, the U.S. Attorney's office handles it.

If you're an Irish company and a Chinese company tries to buy you out, they let you touch the Blarney Stone.

You do not have to be a US citizen or corporation to apply for and obtain a US patent.  Over half of US patents granted, and re-issued, in 2014 had foreign origin.

As usual, this is a bunch of bluster making promises or justifications that completely ignore how the world actually operates.