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Declassified 9/11 Pages - Au165 - 07-15-2016
I just read through them and it seems like there was material support through some disconnected back channels from the Saudis. A lot of things seem to show they had an idea that some within the Saudi government may have provided support, but not enough of a smoking gun to go after Saudi Arabia.
Many will read this and demand "justice" the reality though is there still isn't enough proof just a lot of circumstantial evidence.
If you want to read the actual pages.
http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/declasspart4.pdf
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - Benton - 07-15-2016
(07-15-2016, 04:21 PM)Au165 Wrote: I just read through them and it seems like there was material support through some disconnected back channels from the Saudis. A lot of things seem to show they had an idea that some within the Saudi government may have provided support, but not enough of a smoking gun to go after Saudi Arabia.
Many will read this and demand "justice" the reality though is there still isn't enough proof just a lot of circumstantial evidence.
If you want to read the actual pages.
http://intelligence.house.gov/sites/intelligence.house.gov/files/documents/declasspart4.pdf
The sad part there is, there's about as much evidence suggesting SA was involved as there was that WMD's existed posing some sort of terrorist threat from Iraq that required us going in and removing a foreign leader, dismantling a government and bombing areas.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - McC - 07-15-2016
(07-15-2016, 05:16 PM)Benton Wrote: The sad part there is, there's about as much evidence suggesting SA was involved as there was that WMD's existed posing some sort of terrorist threat from Iraq that required us going in and removing a foreign leader, dismantling a government and bombing areas.
Wasn't invading Iraq more about GW doing what his daddy wouldn't, which was oust Saddam, and having a base of operations in the Middle East than WMD? The military wanted to set up over there so they could continue on into Afghanistan and be right there by Iran and the excuse was WMD.
Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi Arabian. Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to connect those dots. Pretty appalling, really, the things we tolerate in the name of oil.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - jason - 07-15-2016
Our involvement with the Saudis is the root of 75% of our problem in the region. If they (the Saudis) weren't involved, it still happened because our government is in bed with the royal family. Saudi Arabia not only quenches our thirst for oil, but they are an "ally" against Iran.
There's a great episode of Frontline on the PBS app about Saudi Arabia.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - Brownshoe - 07-16-2016
(07-15-2016, 05:16 PM)Benton Wrote: The sad part there is, there's about as much evidence suggesting SA was involved as there was that WMD's existed posing some sort of terrorist threat from Iraq that required us going in and removing a foreign leader, dismantling a government and bombing areas.
That's not true. Iraq has used WMDs before, so it wasn't that much of a stretch to think they had them again.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - Benton - 07-16-2016
(07-16-2016, 12:01 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: That's not true. Iraq has used WMDs before, so it wasn't that much of a stretch to think they had them again.
There was, according to our own intelligence and that of other countries, almost no chance they still had any WMDs. And the slight chance of what they did have from outdated info posed no threat to the u.s.
Iraq was as much of a threat to us as Iceland.
Unfortunately, our actions destabilized the region and actually created significant threats to us and other countries.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - NATI BENGALS - 07-16-2016
(07-15-2016, 10:52 PM)McC Wrote: Wasn't invading Iraq more about GW doing what his daddy wouldn't, which was oust Saddam, and having a base of operations in the Middle East than WMD? The military wanted to set up over there so they could continue on into Afghanistan and be right there by Iran and the excuse was WMD.
Fifteen of the nineteen hijackers were Saudi Arabian. Doesn't take Sherlock Holmes to connect those dots. Pretty appalling, really, the things we tolerate in the name of oil.
And Obama has made our foreign dependance on oil a whole lot less than it was. Any respect for that?
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - Brownshoe - 07-16-2016
(07-16-2016, 12:48 AM)Benton Wrote: There was, according to our own intelligence and that of other countries, almost no chance they still had any WMDs. And the slight chance of what they did have from outdated info posed no threat to the u.s.
Iraq was as much of a threat to us as Iceland.
Unfortunately, our actions destabilized the region and actually created significant threats to us and other countries.
The chemical weapons that they did have could have done massive damage to us if they put them in highly populated areas. The new York Times even reported that there were about 5000 chemical warheads or shells found in Iraq after 2001.
The middle East was already destabilized before 2001. We just made it worse than what it was. If Iraq was able to detonate a few of their chemical weapons in major cities the death toll would be a ton higher than what it is now. Plus there were already terrorist groups in the middle East before we went to Iraq in 2001, so some of the attacks that are happening now would have still happened.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - Brownshoe - 07-16-2016
(07-16-2016, 02:51 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: And Obama has made our foreign dependance on oil a whole lot less than it was. Any respect for that?
Depends on how you feel about fracking. That's what he replaced foreign oil with.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - NATI BENGALS - 07-16-2016
(07-16-2016, 02:56 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: Depends on how you feel about fracking. That's what he replaced foreign oil with.
At least he tried. It has cut our dependance on foreign oil. The consequences of fracking suck. Lesson learned. Better than treading water and sucking oil out of a middle eastern asshole. Renewable energy is the future.
I'd rather live and learn than to keep doing the same thing and empowering the kingdom.
At the very least it showed we can do better than having OPEC have so much power.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - fredtoast - 07-16-2016
(07-16-2016, 02:54 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: The new York Times even reported that there were about 5000 chemical warheads or shells found in Iraq after 2001.
And the UN weapons inspectors knew about them and had them accounted for before we forced the inspectors to leave so that we could attack.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - fredtoast - 07-16-2016
(07-15-2016, 11:03 PM)jason Wrote: Our involvement with the Saudis is the root of 75% of our problem in the region. If they (the Saudis) weren't involved, it still happened because our government is in bed with the royal family. Saudi Arabia not only quenches our thirst for oil, but they are an "ally" against Iran.
Rep.
If we get out of bed with Israel and Saudi Arabia we would have a lotlessproblems from themiddle east.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - Rotobeast - 07-16-2016
(07-16-2016, 10:26 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Rep.
If we get out of bed with Israel and Saudi Arabia we would have a lotlessproblems from themiddle east.
You don't think Russia would sweep in with sweet weapons contracts and become buddy buddy ?
Serious question, not rhetorical or sarcastic.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - fredtoast - 07-16-2016
(07-16-2016, 10:58 AM)Rotobeast Wrote: You don't think Russia would sweep in with sweet weapons contracts and become buddy buddy ?
Serious question, not rhetorical or sarcastic
I am sure Russia would step in. I am glad to let them deal with all the problems these connections create.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - michaelsean - 07-16-2016
(07-16-2016, 02:51 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: And Obama has made our foreign dependance on oil a whole lot less than it was. Any respect for that?
I believe most of that increase is from private lands.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - Brownshoe - 07-17-2016
(07-16-2016, 10:24 AM)fredtoast Wrote: And the UN weapons inspectors knew about them and had them accounted for before we forced the inspectors to leave so that we could attack.
And what was stopping them from reclaiming one or two and detonating them in a major city? They had WMDs, they said they were going to use them on the USA, and America took the threat seriously. Waiting around for them to attack isn't a smart thing to do.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - fredtoast - 07-17-2016
(07-17-2016, 04:48 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: And what was stopping them from reclaiming one or two and detonating them in a major city?
They were under the control of the UN weapons inspectors.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - GMDino - 07-17-2016
(07-17-2016, 04:48 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: And what was stopping them from reclaiming one or two and detonating them in a major city? They had WMDs, they said they were going to use them on the USA, and America took the threat seriously. Waiting around for them to attack isn't a smart thing to do.
People still believe that Iraq could have done that?
After all these years of seeing what their military structure actually was?
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - Brownshoe - 07-17-2016
(07-17-2016, 12:29 PM)fredtoast Wrote: They were under the control of the UN weapons inspectors.
And how do you know they don't have more? They were able to produce them before. Why couldn't they produce them again?
Plus they found those 5000 warheads/ shells under the ground. Those weren't in UN control.
RE: Declassified 9/11 Pages - Brownshoe - 07-17-2016
(07-17-2016, 12:46 PM)GMDino Wrote: People still believe that Iraq could have done that?
After all these years of seeing what their military structure actually was?
Hindsight is 20 20. I don't think that we should have went now, but in the moment it wasn't the wrong idea. Of someone has the weapon to do a massive attack and then act the way they were it's better safe then sorry.