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Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - GMDino - 11-17-2016 http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-medicare-ryan-20161114-story.html tl;dr Ryan keeps lying that the ACA has damaged medicare while it has helped it. He thinks vouchers and shifting the cost to senior citizens is a good idea because it will save the government money. They money paid into the medicare system. Also does nothing to control rising costs. Also...we're doomed. RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - Yojimbo - 11-17-2016 I would be shocked if Ryans's list of top campaign donors didn't include insurance companies. Ok, not shocked: 1. Northwestern Mutual 2. Blue Cross/ Blue Shield http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=Career&cid=n00004357&type=I RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - Belsnickel - 11-17-2016 As much as it pains me to say this, let him. He will only make the case for single-payer even stronger. RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - Benton - 11-17-2016 I'd expect some changes, but I doubt Ryan gets it dismantled. Sure, insurance companies are bribing half of Congress, but they were bribing half the Dems also and didn't get everyone kicked off of Medicare. Republicans still have to keep some of their base happy if they want to hold on to things. RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - Yojimbo - 11-17-2016 (11-17-2016, 02:15 PM)Benton Wrote: I'd expect some changes, but I doubt Ryan gets it dismantled. Sure, insurance companies are bribing half of Congress, but they were bribing half the Dems also and didn't get everyone kicked off of Medicare. Republicans still have to keep some of their base happy if they want to hold on to things. They won't change it for the old people currently on it, so they won't lose that base. They'll implement it for people currently 55 and younger and lie to the rest of their base about how it will reduce government spending. RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - Belsnickel - 11-17-2016 (11-17-2016, 02:27 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: They won't change it for the old people currently on it, so they won't lose that base. They'll implement it for people currently 55 and younger and lie to the rest of their base about how it will reduce government spending. Well, they'll have to find some way to make up for the trillions that Trump is planning to add to the debt, whether real or imagined. ![]() RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - Benton - 11-17-2016 (11-17-2016, 02:27 PM)Yojimbo Wrote: They won't change it for the old people currently on it, so they won't lose that base. They'll implement it for people currently 55 and younger and lie to the rest of their base about how it will reduce government spending. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought you had to be 65 unless you met the few exceptions? My thought is they'll reduce benefits marginally so that more people have to get gap coverage, and they'll up the years to 68 or 69. Insurance companies get a nice bump for their lobby dollars, and Republicans can claim they "saved" Medicare. Ryan has already been laying that groundwork. Much like how they screwed up the Postal Service by claiming it was going broke and that it needed saving. I'm still salty about that one as they closed our local distribution center to save about $60,000 a year, but now it takes 6 days to mail something about 20 miles. RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - JustWinBaby - 11-17-2016 Yes, people "paid" for their Medicare, but only about 20% of it. So the other generations should just have to kick in the difference, or maybe the people on Medicare need to pay more of what they should have paid? Also, insurance companies don't want Medicare to go away - govt money is a gravy train. It's the doctors and hospitals that get pinched - insurance is still going to get it's premiums . More people insured means more money for the insurance companies. RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - BengalHawk62 - 11-17-2016 John:*writes Revelations* Lord, the End is signaled by trumpets? God: No, Trump/Pence John: Right. Trumpets God: Fine. They'll know. RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - Belsnickel - 11-17-2016 (11-17-2016, 04:07 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: John:*writes Revelation* Lord, the End is signaled by trumpets? FTFY. ![]() RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - Dill - 11-17-2016 (11-17-2016, 02:00 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: As much as it pains me to say this, let him. He will only make the case for single-payer even stronger. I was just about to say this. And a step further, I think we are never getting past Republican fiscal policies until we get them passed and put into practice, with a clear line of accountability back the Republican party. We bit the bullet for 2-4 years, and then it's clear whether the work or don't. If they do then we will be better off. If they don't, those middle voters, angry at the mess, will swing back with Democratic policies. We'll have single-payer, military spending shifted to infrastructure and education, etc. If I am correct about this, backlash against Trump will ice the cake. Dems will be back in power in 202, likely with the Senate and Congress. RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - Dill - 11-17-2016 (11-17-2016, 04:07 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: John:*writes Revelations* Lord, the End is signaled by trumpets?LOL rep RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - Yojimbo - 11-17-2016 (11-17-2016, 03:00 PM)Benton Wrote: Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought you had to be 65 unless you met the few exceptions? The 55 age is so they won't lose the support of the older voters that are approaching Medicare age and haven't prepared for a different system. RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - GMDino - 11-17-2016 (11-17-2016, 09:55 PM)Dill Wrote: I was just about to say this. They've been doing that in Kansas for years now. Slowly destroying the state and the GOP keeps getting re-elected. RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - GMDino - 11-18-2016 Opinion piece. Shared for a link in the article. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/11/17/paul-ryan-has-big-medicare-plans-for-you-jason-sattler/93969860/ Quote:You might assume that you’d need a clear consensus to unwind Medicare, one the most popular things government has ever done that doesn’t involve bombing Nazis. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/why-donald-trump-wont-touch-your-entitlements Quote:- MAY 21, 2015 - RE: Paul Ryan is determined to gut Medicare. This time he might succeed - Dill - 11-22-2016 (11-17-2016, 10:12 PM)GMDino Wrote: They've been doing that in Kansas for years now. Slowly destroying the state and the GOP keeps getting re-elected. you've sent me spiralling into depression--almost. The nation as a whole will respond better than Kansas. And Brownback knows more about politics than Trump. |