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Pervert minuteman allowed to question victims - Bengalzona - 07-08-2015 http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/notorious-arizona-border-vigilante-can-personally-cross-examine-little-girls-he-is-accused-of-molesting/ Quote:Notorious Arizona border vigilante can personally cross-examine little girls he is accused of molesting Quote:An Arizona minuteman leader accused of molesting two little girls could soon personally cross-examine the 7-and-8 year olds because a judge ruled their mothers were not qualified to say whether it would traumatize them. Welcome to Arizona, where we let a pedophile question his victims in court simply because he is a conservative. RE: Pervert minuteman allowed to question victims - Benton - 07-08-2015 Wow. That judge is a moron. And his reasoning doesn't hold water if he doesn't take the parent's opinion because she isn't qualified but then ignores the psychologist. RE: Pervert minuteman allowed to question victims - michaelsean - 07-08-2015 Someone correct me if Im wrong because Id be hapoy to be, but the Constitution guarantees him this right. It doesnt say it must be done through a lawyer or other third party. RE: Pervert minuteman allowed to question victims - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 07-08-2015 (07-08-2015, 10:04 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Someone correct me if Im wrong because Id be hapoy to be, but the Constitution guarantees him this right. It doesnt say it must be done through a lawyer or other third party. Generally victims of child sexual abuse are granted special exemptions from the "face your accuser" right granted by our system. It is a very easy argument to make that allowing the , alleged, molester to directly question his victims is inherently traumatizing the victim all over again. If this guy had counsel this wouldn't be an issue, but seeing as he's one of those special types who thinks he can represent himself (remember a lawyer who represents themselves has a fool for a client) he should not be allowed to do so. Quite simply, appoint counsel to do this questioning for you or forfeit your right to cross examine. Not a hard decision to reach. RE: Pervert minuteman allowed to question victims - BFritz21 - 07-09-2015 (07-08-2015, 10:04 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Someone correct me if Im wrong because Id be hapoy to be, but the Constitution guarantees him this right. It doesnt say it must be done through a lawyer or other third party. Different laws with minors. A minor could be intimidated easier, or even be in fear, because they don't understand the situation, especially when they're that young. A person's constitutional rights don't give them the right to further traumatize children, especially when they're already that traumatized. RE: Pervert minuteman allowed to question victims - PhilHos - 07-09-2015 (07-08-2015, 10:18 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Generally victims of child sexual abuse are granted special exemptions from the "face your accuser" right granted by our system. It is a very easy argument to make that allowing the , alleged, molester to directly question his victims is inherently traumatizing the victim all over again. If this guy had counsel this wouldn't be an issue, but seeing as he's one of those special types who thinks he can represent himself (remember a lawyer who represents themselves has a fool for a client) he should not be allowed to do so. Quite simply, appoint counsel to do this questioning for you or forfeit your right to cross examine. Not a hard decision to reach. On the one hand, I can understand victim rights especially when it comes to children. On the other, what if they weren't victims or were lying about the true perpetrator? With that said, I don't understand how it's not automatically someone other than the defendant who does the cross-examination. RE: Pervert minuteman allowed to question victims - bfine32 - 07-09-2015 (07-08-2015, 03:05 PM)Bengalzona Wrote: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/notorious-arizona-border-vigilante-can-personally-cross-examine-little-girls-he-is-accused-of-molesting/ I missed the part that states he can do this because he is conservative. As to the ruling: It is absolutely "wrong" in my book. RE: Pervert minuteman allowed to question victims - fredtoast - 07-09-2015 This is the correct ruling under the law. You can't force someone to have an attorney represent him, and if the children are going to testify in court they must be cross-examined. However if this guy really did it I predict that he is making a BIG mistake. I have had to cross-examine children as young as 7 in child rape cases. It is the hardest thing for a lawyer to do. You have to discredit their testimony without attacking them in any way. And if these children really are traumatized by him asking them questions it will just make him look worse in front of the jury. I don't see any way possible this works out in his favor. **NOTE** It does seem that under their state law if a psychologist testified that the children would be traumatized the judge may have decided differently. RE: Pervert minuteman allowed to question victims - GodHatesBengals - 07-10-2015 I just want to announce that I am utterly unsurprised that yet another psychotic conservative freak stands reasonably accused of sickening sexual depravity. |