Kavanaugh SCOTUS hearings

[Dill]

(10-03-2018, 03:54 PM)bfine32 Wrote: ..or maybe folks are just looking for something, anything. He freely admitted he drank and often times drank too much; he also mentioned he drank to the point of vomiting, but folks are going to run with the "blacked out" theme, because it's really all they got. Dude has been in the judicial systems for decades and nothing.

You and others can look in the mirror and think you're doing a noble thing. I'll look at it as partisan politics trying to do what ever they can to destroy a man, that they know is fully qualified to sit the bench.

I think "folks" have a bit more than that.  And they are looking for "anything" that might show the man unfit for the highest court in the land--like his behavior under fire, especially when questioned by women.

Here is a letter to his friends signed "Bart" (another connection to Judge's confessions of drunken debauchery with a "Bart").  Notice in the PS the reference to "notorious pukers" amongst the "loud obnoxious drunks"--a group which includes Kavanaugh.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/us/brett-kavanaugh-georgetown-prep.html


His own classmates dispute his toned down representation of his behavior. That he is in hostile denial speaks against him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOyy1Duqjts

[GMDino]

(10-03-2018, 05:27 PM)Dill Wrote: I think "folks" have a bit more than that. 

Here is a letter to his friends signed "Bart" (another connection to Judge's confessions of drunken debauchery with a "Bart").  Notice in the PS the reference to "notorious pukers" amongst the "loud obnoxious drunks"--a group which includes Kavanaugh.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/us/brett-kavanaugh-georgetown-prep.html

I shared that whole story above Dill.  It doesn't matter because "it's all about high school drinking" donchaknow.

[GMDino]

(10-03-2018, 05:25 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Don't let that deter you from writing your letter with the empirical proof of Kav's perjury. You'll never be the darling of the left if you don't fight for the little man.
 

At least I'd be fighting for something real. 

[Dill]

(10-03-2018, 05:30 PM)GMDino Wrote: I shared that whole story above Dill.  It doesn't matter because "it's all about high school drinking" donchaknow.

Oops, sorry. I haven't been following this thread diligently enough.

But if you think about it, we all probably did some drinking in high school and during our freshman year at Yale. And I like beer.

So why should denying (lying about) signally raucous and inappropriate behavior back then bar someone from the Supreme  Court now?

Have YOU ever blacked out, Dino?  Wait, I apologize for asking that.

If you are standing for a Supreme Court nomination, the issue is not how you behave under questioning, but whether a little harmless groping back in high school should ruin a good man's life. The risk of false allegations of sexual misconduct now make Trump jr. more fearful of his son's future than actual misconduct makes him fear for this daughter.  Maybe it is time to stand up and insist that men be heard and believed when they deny sexual assault.

I don't doubt that SOMEONE assaulted Ford. I just think that, like those 19 women accusing Trump, she is confused about who it really was. I wish her the best.  But let's move on now an put a good man on the SC bench instead of ruining his life because of some woman. Think of HIS family for once.

[GMDino]

(10-03-2018, 05:50 PM)Dill Wrote: Oops, sorry. I haven't been following this thread diligently enough.

But if you think about it, we all probably did some drinking in high school and during our freshman year at Yale. And I like beer.

So why should denying (lying about) signally raucous and inappropriate behavior back then bar someone from the Supreme  Court now?

Have YOU ever blacked out, Dino?  Wait, I apologize for asking that.

If you are standing for a Supreme Court nomination, the issue is not how you behave under questioning, but whether a little harmless groping back in high school should ruin a good man's life. The risk of false allegations of sexual misconduct now make Trump jr. more fearful of his son's future than actual misconduct makes him fear for this daughter.  Maybe it is time to stand up and insist that men be heard and believed when they deny sexual assault.

I don't doubt that SOMEONE assaulted Ford. I just think that, like those 19 women accusing Trump, she is confused about who it really was. I wish her the best.  But let's move on now an put a good man on the SC bench instead of ruining his life because of some woman. Think of HIS family for once.

Actually I did this whole thing on Facebook about the two times I drank underage...both times in college.  Just in case I ever want to run for office. 

But sadly I am cursed with not blacking out.  I remember everything that happens when I'm drinking...until I fall asleep. 

[Dill]

(10-03-2018, 05:53 PM)GMDino Wrote: Actually I did this whole thing on Facebook about the two times I drank underage...both times in college.  Just in case I ever want to run for office. 

But sadly I am cursed with not blacking out.  I remember everything that happens when I'm drinking...until I fall asleep. 

I have never blacked out either, though I did get pretty smashed on occasion in my younger days.

I did have a friend who blacked out and got violent when drunk.  He would go bar hopping and hit parties afterwards, then wake up with a black eye and have no idea how or where he got it.  Odd.

[fredtoast]

(10-03-2018, 04:32 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote:   
But it's only for certain ones right? the dozen that spoke out about Bill Clinton were bashed into silence.  Were you ashamed of being a Democrat back then??

Democrats did not "bash into silence" any of those women.  Although I only remember about 3 or 4 who claimed they were sexually assaulted by Bill.  Most of them made their claims public.

Clinton was a womanizer, and I was not proud of that.  His supporters questioned the claims made by the women, but there was strong evidence that they were lying.  I don't remember any Democrats saying that the allegations should not even be investigated.

[GMDino]

(10-03-2018, 06:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Democrats did not "bash into silence" any of those women.  Although I only remember about 3 or 4 who claimed they were sexually assaulted by Bill.  Most of them made their claims public.

Clinton was a womanizer, and I was not proud of that.  His supporters questioned the claims made by the women, but there was strong evidence that they were lying.  I don't remember any Democrats saying that the allegations should not even be investigated.

Shame we never heard from those women again!

Wait....

[fredtoast]

(10-03-2018, 05:57 PM)Dill Wrote: I have never blacked out either, though I did get pretty smashed on occasion in my younger days. 

I only blacked out once and it scared the shit out of me.

I was totally broke in college and one of my friends offered to sell me a couple of Xanax for $2 a piece.  He told me that if I drank a couple of beers with them it would be the same as drinking a 12 pack (and I could never afford 12 beers at a bar).  So I took them and drank a bunch of beers and blacked out.  It scared me bad.  I have gotten plenty messed up many times since then, but I never mixed pills with alcohol and never blacked out again.

[*bfine32*]

(10-03-2018, 05:27 PM)Dill Wrote: I think "folks" have a bit more than that.  And they are looking for "anything" that might show the man unfit for the highest court in the land--like his behavior under fire, especially when questioned by women.

Here is a letter to his friends signed "Bart" (another connection to Judge's confessions of drunken debauchery with a "Bart").  Notice in the PS the reference to "notorious pukers" amongst the "loud obnoxious drunks"--a group which includes Kavanaugh.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/02/us/brett-kavanaugh-georgetown-prep.html


His own classmates dispute his toned down representation of his behavior.  That he is in hostile denial speaks against him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOyy1Duqjts

Sounds like I'd like to party with Bart. Except the puking part. 

[Mike M (the other one)]

(10-03-2018, 05:02 PM)GMDino Wrote: So a couple things here:

The FBI wouldn't look into it unless the GOP led committee or the WH said to.  It didn't matter when Feinstein turned it over.  'Cause when she did...there was still no investigation until it was approved by the GOP.

That you can defend the POTUS mocking a person purely for political purposes while claiming the Democrats are pulling a political scam" is kind of unnerving.

But then again Trump has mocked lots of people and no republicans seem to care so I guess at least they are consistent.

Technically the GOP can not force an investigation, only the POTUS can.

The FBI has already done 6 previous background checks, nothing came up.
How many you want? 10-12? I'm sure if we dug deep enough far back enough we could find that day that Kavanaugh bit his mothers nipple while breast feeding in public. Or maybe how he tore up his moms VJ during birth?? Then we would run with headlines like "Incestuous Kavanaugh rips up his mothers p." Yeah yeah. What ever.

Again, this might have been done to her by Kavanaugh, but she's had more than ample time to come forward and ruin his career before now, not only that, but the timing of her alleged accusations ruins all of the credibility she might have had if she had come out a year ago. It's just like a SNL Skit is how I view it. I am not the only one either. Many see it the same way, except for many of those on the Left that cry she was raped by him, which again is false to what she actually said.

Trump gets mocked a lot, but it's not ok when he mocks back hunh?
Obama mocked the Special Olympics didn't he??
Didn't Obama mock Fox News as well? So why can't Trump mock CNN and other known leftist sites??
Obama mocked political figures, so does Trump.

So I don't want to hear your shit about mocking other people, we are all guilty of it, and when it's funny, it's funny. Take it with a grain of salt and move on.

You guys just don't get it about how Trump works. The guy is smart, I mean seriously, how many people get as much Free Press as he does? Good or bad it doesn't matter, his name is first all the time. Even during the campaigning it was Trump this Trump that. *Side Note Hillary speaks at Ivy School

[SunsetBengal]

Just a little reminder to keep comments and conversations on the topic at hand, and avoid getting personal with other members.

[*bfine32*]

I have noticed as this winds down, as claims are made against the females (ex-boyfriend saying Ford lied when she said she never helped anyone prep for a lie detector test/ numerous points against Swetnik) many are classifying them as "attacks". Also hearing the Ford attorneys saying no investigation is complete without questioning Ford. These things are hilarious.

[GMDino]

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Technically the GOP can not force an investigation, only the POTUS can.

Okay, then can we stop saying it's Feinstein's fault?

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: The FBI has already done 6 previous background checks, nothing came up.
How many you want? 10-12? I'm sure if we dug deep enough far back enough we could find that day that Kavanaugh bit his mothers nipple while breast feeding in public. Or maybe how he tore up his moms VJ during birth?? Then we would run with headlines like "Incestuous Kavanaugh rips up his mothers p." Yeah yeah. What ever.

I guess this one, unless something else credible is turned up. I think the hyperbole police would have fun with your post.

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Again, this might have been done to her by Kavanaugh, but she's had more than ample time to come forward and ruin his career before now, not only that,

'k...gotta jump in here and say IF he did do this the casual way you look at her coming out about it as "ruining his career" is a bit disheartening.

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: but the timing of her alleged accusations ruins all of the credibility she might have had if she had come out a year ago. It's just like a SNL Skit is how I view it.

Again it may be true, it may not be. The "timing" is what it is. She claims she has spoken about this before. She wanted people in power to know before he got a lifetime appointment to the SC versus just another job. She eventually agreed to be named when being anonymous wasn't going to get the story into the public eye for possible investigation.

Personally, if it is true, I don't care when the story comes out about anyone.

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: I am not the only one either. Many see it the same way,

Exaggerate much?

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: except for many of those on the Left that cry she was raped by him, which again is false to what she actually said.

Yes, you do.

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Trump gets mocked a lot, but it's not ok when he mocks back hunh?

No, it makes him look small. Too small to be POTUS in my book.

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Obama mocked the Special Olympics didn't he??

Indeed. And he apologized. Has Trump ever apologized?

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Didn't Obama mock Fox News as well? So why can't Trump mock CNN and other known leftist sites??

Organizations versus private individuals.

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Obama mocked political figures, so does Trump.

Such as?

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: So I don't want to hear your shit about mocking other people, we are all guilty of it, and when it's funny, it's funny. Take it with a grain of salt and move on.

Like I said before everyone says you should have a sense of humor unless you're making a joke about something THEY take seriously. Like:

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Trump gets mocked a lot, but it's not ok when he mocks back hunh?

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: You guys just don't get it about how Trump works. The guy is smart, I mean seriously, how many people get as much Free Press as he does? Good or bad it doesn't matter, his name is first all the time. Even during the campaigning it was Trump this Trump that. *Side Note Hillary speaks at Ivy School

I get it. I knew it before he was elected. He's a conman. He fooled enough people into buying the snakeoil that they will go to any length to defend him. Even admitting he's a conman who mocks people just for the attention it brings him.

[Dill]

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Technically the GOP can not force an investigation, only the POTUS can.

 
I'm guessing that is why Dino said "The FBI wouldn't look into it unless the GOP led committee or the WH said to."  

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: The FBI has already done 6 previous background checks, nothing came up.
How many you want? 10-12? I'm sure if we dug deep enough far back enough we could find that day that Kavanaugh bit his mothers nipple while breast feeding in public. Or maybe how he tore up his moms VJ during birth?? Then we would run with headlines like "Incestuous Kavanaugh rips up his mothers p." Yeah yeah. What ever.

Again, this might have been done to her by Kavanaugh, but she's had more than ample time to come forward and ruin his career before now, not only that, but the timing of her alleged accusations ruins all of the credibility she might have had if she had come out a year ago. It's just like a SNL Skit is how I view it. I am not the only one either. Many see it the same way, except for many of those on the Left that cry she was raped by him, which again is false to what she actually said.

Again this has already been addressed. 

1.  If the FBI was not looking for sexual assault, they are not likely to find it if there is no arrest or police report. Now that people have come forward, it makes sense to check out claims of sexual assault.  We are talking about confirming a JUDGE for the HIGHEST COURT in the U.S., some one who could be presiding over cases involving women's issues, including sexual assault.

2. Many women struggle to report sexual assault. Many do not come forward at all, for fear they will not be believed or be mocked, making it one of the most under-reported crimes in the U.S. In this case, the trigger is that the alleged assaulter would be a JUDGE sitting on the HIGHEST COURT in the U.S.  Were he not nominated, Ford would have suffered in silence.  So much for "timing."

(10-03-2018, 06:36 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Trump gets mocked a lot, but it's not ok when he mocks back hunh?
Obama mocked the Special Olympics didn't he??
Didn't Obama mock Fox News as well? So why can't Trump mock CNN and other known leftist sites??
Obama mocked political figures, so does Trump.

So I don't want to hear your shit about mocking other people, we are all guilty of it, and when it's funny, it's funny. Take it with a grain of salt and move on.

You guys just don't get it about how Trump works. The guy is smart, I mean seriously, how many people get as much Free Press as he does? Good or bad it doesn't matter, his name is first all the time. Even during the campaigning it was Trump this Trump that. *Side Note Hillary speaks at Ivy School

No, it is not ok if a president "mocks back"--most especially when he is mocking private citizens who have not mocked him.
https://sports.yahoo.com/appalling-footage-trump-mocking-ford-sparks-thousands-comments-233303938.html

 Jeezus.  And if Trump thinks he gets to mock back, then his ethical sense is no better than that of kindergartners elbowing one another in the recess line. And no, Obama didn't "mock the special Olympics."  He made an insensitive comment offhand and apologized for it. That is a far cry from, for example, imitating a disabled man's speech and body movements purposely to elicit laughter from thousands of supporters.  And REFUSING to apologize.

That mocking of a disabled journalist was NOT funny, not the same as criticizing or even mocking politicians. Just as calling Senator Warren "Pocahantas" is not funny and not the sort of thing "we are all guilty of."

If truth, common decency and civility are still expected from national leaders, then it should matter if all Trump's free press is "good or bad."   Republicans and conservatives once claimed to defend these standards--whether "everyone" was guilty of violating them or not.

And that Trump's name is "first all the time" in reports of porn star payoffs, of tax fraud, of WH chaos, of pandering to U.S. adversaries while undermining our intelligence institutions, of insults to POWs and Gold Star families, and of alleged sexual assault does not make him "smart" to people who still care about the above-mentioned standards. 

Everyone "gets" how Trump works. Some of us just choose not to celebrate bad behavior.

[Dill]

(10-03-2018, 06:16 PM)fredtoast Wrote: I only blacked out once and it scared the shit out of me.

I was totally broke in college and one of my friends offered to sell me a couple of Xanax for $2 a piece.  He told me that if I drank a couple of beers with them it would be the same as drinking a 12 pack (and I could never afford 12 beers at a bar).  So I took them and drank a bunch of beers and blacked out.  It scared me bad.  I have gotten plenty messed up many times since then, but I never mixed pills with alcohol and never blacked out again.

LOL I won't mention this if you are ever nominated for the Federal bench!

[Dill]

(10-03-2018, 08:21 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I have noticed as this winds down, as claims are made against the females (ex-boyfriend saying Ford lied when she said she never helped anyone prep for a lie detector test/  numerous points against Swetnik) many are classifying them as "attacks". Also hearing the Ford attorneys saying no investigation is complete without questioning Ford. These things are hilarious.

Women claiming sexual assault. Why do we need to ask them anything?   

Hey, did you find this hilarious?

https://sports.yahoo.com/appalling-footage-trump-mocking-ford-sparks-thousands-comments-233303938.html

[*bfine32*]

(10-03-2018, 09:29 PM)Dill Wrote: Women claiming sexual assault. Why do we need to ask them anything?   

Hey, did you find this hilarious?

https://sports.yahoo.com/appalling-footage-trump-mocking-ford-sparks-thousands-comments-233303938.html

Ford has been interviewed by 10 Senators and one expert investigator under oath. She has been asked plenty questions. Perhaps Ford's attorneys think they will ask her the extra special FBI question that will suddenly make her remember everything and make those she claimed as witness to suddenly remember they do remember the party. 

No Dem should balk about Ford or Kavs not being interviewed. They had the opportunity to have an investigator interview Ford, but they wanted to spend that time hailing her a hero for asserting unsubstantiated claims. They had the opportunity to question Kavs, but they wanted to spend that time talking about his yearbook. 

Any thought on evidence rebutting what the women say being considered attacks? 

No, I found Trump's remarks to be below the office of POTUS. While 100% true; leave it to other folks. 

[*bfine32*]

I wonder how this will get leaked?
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senators-to-review-single-copy-of-fbi-findings-on-kavanaugh-in-secure-room/ar-BBNUZx9?ocid=ientp

Quote:To reduce the chance of leaks for the high-interest document, there is going to be just one copy available to senators in a secure room in the basement of the Capitol normally reserved for sensitive national security briefings. Senators will view the FBI report in one-hour increments.

I will say that regardless of content; any person willfully sharing any information contained in this report should be brought up on charges.

[*michaelsean*]

(10-04-2018, 09:25 AM)bfine32 Wrote: I wonder how this will get leaked?
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/senators-to-review-single-copy-of-fbi-findings-on-kavanaugh-in-secure-room/ar-BBNUZx9?ocid=ientp


I will say that regardless of content; any person willfully sharing any information contained in this report should be brought up on charges.

Depends on what it says.  If it makes Kav look bad, Feinstein can leak it and then just pool her aids and claim they didn't do it.  "Did you leak it?"  "No."  "You?"  "No."  'Anybody?"  "Nope."  'We didn't do it."