Driskel should be starter next year

[fredtoast]

(12-17-2018, 05:57 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: No he wouldnt have because the Bengals have had the same weapons if not better than the Steelers. 

Dalton just makes them look better. 

[wolverine515151]

(12-17-2018, 05:58 PM)Wyche Wrote:

Whitworth, Zeitler, Smith, Boling. Green , Sanu, Jones, Eifert, Gresham, Bernard, Boyd. 

That's as good as anything the Steelers have had if not better. 

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(12-17-2018, 06:00 PM)The Caped Crusader Wrote: Dude...

No. The Steelers offensive line has been ranked in the Top 5 for years.

Ben has had more consistent tight ends (ones not injured).

His receiving core is just better. Brown and Juju combined are better completely than our receiving core. 

Le'Veon Bell anyone?

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-17-2018, 06:02 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: Whitworth, Zeitler, Smith, Boling. Green , Sanu, Jones, Eifert, Gresham, Bernard, Boyd. 

That's as good as anything the Steelers have had if not better. 

Whit is probably the only name you mentioned that didn’t have a better counterpart on Pittsburgh over the years.

Maybe Eifert. But we really only got one good year out of him. I’d take the less talented, but more durable Heath Miller over him tbh.

[*jason*]

(12-17-2018, 06:03 PM)WychesWarrior Wrote: Le'Veon Bell anyone?

Every ***** RB they trot out... Ya know, cause their O line is way better. Some clown named Toussant ran all over us...

[fredtoast]

(12-17-2018, 06:02 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: Whitworth, Zeitler, Smith, Boling. Green , Sanu, Jones, Eifert, Gresham, Bernard, Boyd. 

That's as good as anything the Steelers have had if not better. 

1 All Pro (Whitworth once) and 3 Pro Bowl players (Green, Gresham, Eifert)

Steelers 4 All Pros...Maurkice Pouncy (twice) Antonio Brown (4 times), Leveon Bell (twice) David DeCastro (twice)

Steeler 4 Pro Bowlers....Heath Miller (twice), Allejandro Villanueva (once), Mike Wallace (once) Roosevelt Nix (once)

Nix may have been a special teams selection instead of for his offense, but you still have 10 All Pro seasons fro the Steelers compared to one for the Bengals.

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-17-2018, 06:10 PM)jason Wrote: Every ***** RB they trot out... Ya know, cause their O line is way better. Some clown named Toussant ran all over us...

Some rookie named Samuels dropped 142 yds on NE last night. They’re something else how they can just plug anyone in there and be dominant.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(12-17-2018, 06:02 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: Whitworth, Zeitler, Smith, Boling. Green , Sanu, Jones, Eifert, Gresham, Bernard, Boyd. 

That's as good as anything the Steelers have had if not better. 

I disagree, but to each their own. Pouncy, DeCastro, Foster, Villenueva, Gilbert.....this current iteration is rated as the best in the league.....and their predecessors were no slouches. Heath Miller, Brown, JuJu, Wallace, Williams, Wheaton, Bryant, Sanders, Burress, Ward.....all of these players are as good as anything we've had, and some are much better.

[*Wyche'sWarrior*]

(12-17-2018, 06:14 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Some rookie named Samuels dropped 142 yds on NE last night. They’re something else how they can just plug anyone in there and be dominant.

It's all won and lost in the trenches, and they have that shit on lock.

[wolverine515151]

(12-17-2018, 06:12 PM)fredtoast Wrote: 1 All Pro (Whitworth once) and 3 Pro Bowl players (Green, Gresham, Eifert)

Steelers 4 All Pros...Maurkice Pouncy (twice) Antonio Brown (4 times), Leveon Bell (twice) David DeCastro (twice)

Steeler 3 Pro Bowlers....Heath Miller (twice), Allejandro Villanueva (once), Roosevelt Nix (once)

I don't use pro bowls as a measuring stick because a lot of it is a popularity contest.  Whitworth deserved a lot more pro bowls. Zeitler did as well. Even Smith had a couple pro bowl level years and wasn't selected.  Bernard probably has deserved a couple pro bowls. 

This doesn't include secondary players who have turned into very good starters for other teams like Jones and Sanu. There's Boyd who is playing close to pro bowl level.  Mixon is playing at a pro bowl level and probably wont get selected. 

The Bengals players don't get as many pro bowls selections as popular teams like the Steelers or Cowboys. 

[wolfkaosaun]

(12-17-2018, 06:02 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: Whitworth, Zeitler, Smith, Boling. Green , Sanu, Jones, Eifert, Gresham, Bernard, Boyd. 

That's as good as anything the Steelers have had if not better. 

Villaneueva, Foster, Pouncey, DeCastro, Gilbert, Brown, McDonald, Juju, Bell, Conner, James, Heath Miller.

4 of those Steelers have been named All-Pro players.

Only one of those Bengals have been named All-Pro players.

Wanted to leave out Pro-Bowl voting since, well, that can be perceived as popularity (and it normally is).

If I were, then 6 of those 12 players I named have also gone to the Pro Bowl.
And there would be 4 out of the 11 players you named.

[wolfkaosaun]

(12-17-2018, 06:19 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: I don't use pro bowls as a measuring stick because a lot of it is a popularity contest.  Whitworth deserved a lot more pro bowls. Zeitler did as well. Even Smith had a couple pro bowl level years and wasn't selected.  Bernard probably has deserved a couple pro bowls. 

This doesn't include secondary players who have turned into very good starters for other teams like Jones and Sanu. There's Boyd who is playing close to pro bowl level.  Mixon is playing at a pro bowl level and probably wont get selected. 

The Bengals players don't get as many pro bowls selections as popular teams like the Steelers or Cowboys. 

So what about the All-Pro facet?

[Nicomo Cosca]

Gio a pro bowler? What are you putting in that orange koolaid?

[fredtoast]

(12-17-2018, 06:10 PM)jason Wrote: Every ***** RB they trot out... Ya know, cause their O line is way better. Some clown named Toussant ran all over us...

DeAngelo Williams led the league in rushing tds playing for the Steelers in 2015

[wolverine515151]

(12-17-2018, 06:20 PM)wolfkaosaun Wrote: So what about the All-Pro facet?

All pro is better but even then it has bias built in.  Our offensive line during Daltons first 5 years was as good or better than the Steelers. Obviously right now it's much worse. 

[wolverine515151]

(12-17-2018, 06:23 PM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: Gio a pro bowler? What are you putting in that orange koolaid?

I'd say Bernard was playing at pro bowl level a couple seasons. He put up over 1200 total yards, when you combine rushing and receiving, and 7 to 8 TD's , for a couple of seasons. That's close to pro bowl level. 

Darren Sproles made the pro bowl for three seasons in row, and in each of those he had around 750 totals yards and 5 TD's. Much worse than Bernard who has put up some big seasons that have gone under the radar. We're talking 1200 plus total yards and 8 TD kind of seasons.

In a big market like Philly, Bernard would have gone to 3 pro bowls minimum. 

[Nicomo Cosca]

(12-17-2018, 06:30 PM)wolverine515151 Wrote: I'd say Bernard was playing at pro bowl level a couple seasons. He put up over 1200 total yards, when you combine rushing and receiving, and 7 to 8 TD's , for a couple of seasons. Thats close to pro bowl level. 

I like Gio a lot, but I don’t think he’s ever been pro bowl caliber.

[Lawless_1]

[*Synric*]

You know everyone mentions Green Sanu and Marvin Jones as really the only receivers Dalton has thrown too.

How about Jerome Simpson, Andre Caldwell, Andrew Hawkins, Jermaine Gresham.

[*jason*]

(12-17-2018, 06:24 PM)fredtoast Wrote: DeAngelo Williams led the league in rushing tds playing for the Steelers in 2015

Yeah... And he was thought to be washed up when he left Carolina.