Coronavirus

[Vas Deferens]

(04-22-2020, 11:37 PM)Nately120 Wrote: She's immuno-compromised after what I gave her.

Immuno isn’t the only deficiency you stuck her with

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(04-22-2020, 08:43 PM)michaelsean Wrote: I was reading that a bunch of the early CDC tests were tainted. Not sure what it means. Higher numbers? Lower numbers? No way to know?

The problem with the CDC test they were working on detected the virus when no virus was present. So false positives.

They were planning on relying exclusively on the test developed by the CDC so they didn’t reach out to the private sector until after the CDC’s test turned out to be a failure. That’s when they issued the Emergency Use Authorization for commercial testing. That created more problems with test development.

The thing I don’t like about the EUA is that companies aren’t required to submit any validation info which means we don’t have the sensitivity and specificity data to understand how accurate the test is; like I explained the problem with the flu tests.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(04-22-2020, 09:54 PM)Benton Wrote: Testing can help understand how it spreads (I've heard but don't know that some blood types are more likely to get it, same with younger people being less likely). Also it helps understand the mortality rate.

300 years ago nobody died from cancer. They died from exhaustion or a cough or something else. When we were finally able to test for it, we had an idea of how serious (or not depending on a point of view) it is.

Testing helps with disease surveillance; incidence, prevalence, mortality. It helps to determine hot spots and where to allocate needed resources if there was any sort of federal coordination.

It helps us determine if we are “flattening the curve” and we can relax the mitigation strategies so we can get back to normal without over burdening the medical system.

It helps local health care systems determine their mitigation strategies (telemedicine for instance) and how long they need to be implemented. And when the can start offering normal services again, like elective surgeries and imaging for example.

Approximately 6 days ago Georgia Governor Kemp admitted we had a problem with testing, it was lagging, the status quo was unacceptable, and we would double down on testing. We’re 47th in testing. If we doubled down, we would barely be average. Then four days later he announced his plan to re-open the state after being one of the last to announce a shelter in place recommendation based upon favorable numbers. There is at least a week lag in reporting and our numbers for the beginning of this week were still higher than two weeks ago. So I don’t know what favorable numbers he is looking at especially after admitting we have shitting testing thus our numbers are unreliable.

Plus, he is opening barber shops, nail salons, massage parlors, etc. But, they need to maintain 6’ of social distancing. So how the F is your barber supposed to cut your hair from 6’ away?

And “Total Authority” Trump has been harping on opening the country for 1-2 weeks. He is encouraging the protesters in states with Democratic governors to reopen the states. Kemp is a Republican and following Trump’s lead to open the economy and Trump has come out to say he disagrees with Kemp reopening the state. WTF? Trump has placed the governors in a no win situation. If the don’t open the states, Trump encourages protest. If they do open the state partially, Trump disagrees with them. That way he can claim he was right regardless of the outcome.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(04-21-2020, 03:24 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: Part of it was also that Pence together a list of labs in states not being used and the labs in Maryland were all military and federal, so ones we couldn’t access even if we had tests. Hogan pointed that out and Trump said Hogan “didn’t understand” the “simple” list.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/air-force-lacks-testing-kits-for-nuclear-crews-says-chief-231900831.html

The Air Force doesn’t have enough tests.

Can your governor share the simple list with them?

[hollodero]

(04-22-2020, 07:55 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I've been monitoring this thread as a spectator for the past 3 months because.......

I will say this: I've seen the tragedy bring out the best and the worst in people. I'll leave it up to you to look in the mirror and see which side you trend toward.

I will further say this: Breech and I disagree on everything; although we've chewed much of the same dirt. His overall responses in the thread shows; although he's politically biased, it takes a backseat to his mentality as a care giver. He's provided a lot of facts and should be applauded.

Some of you on the other hand....

Ah, back and in the proper spirit. Welcome welcome, glad you're back; that feeling will soon pass, so I offer it while it lasts :)

I agree tradegy brought out the worst in people, but you can vote it out of office soon.

[GMDino]

Now Trump is saying Kemp (GA) is opening too early and he thinks opening up early is wrong.

Seriously.

The same "man" who tweeted for residents (in states with Democratic governors) to "liberate" their states.

And my conservative friends are NOW saying Kemp is opening too early and they won't go out because the President told them not to.

What a weird group they are.

[GMDino]

Trump is so afraid (the natural state of a fake tough guy) that he instinctively calls any bad news (or potential bad news) "fake".

Redfield: “We will have a second wave. It will be more difficult to manage.”

WaPo “Direct quote.”

Trump: “Fake News. Misquote!”

Reporter: “Is that quote accurate?”

Redfield: “I was accurately quoted.”

Trump: “See? Fake News!!” https://t.co/GmJJfYgSWZ

— (((evan shapiro))) (@eshap) April 23, 2020

[masonbengals fan]

(04-23-2020, 07:52 AM)hollodero Wrote: Ah, back and in the proper spirit. Welcome welcome, glad you're back; that feeling will soon pass, so I offer it while it lasts :)

I agree tradegy brought out the worst in people, but you can vote it out of office soon.

We will do our best come November.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(04-23-2020, 09:01 AM)GMDino Wrote: Now Trump is saying Kemp (GA) is opening too early and he thinks opening up early is wrong.

Seriously.

The same "man" who tweeted for residents (in states with Democratic governors) to "liberate" their states.

And my conservative friends are NOW saying Kemp is opening too early and they won't go out because the President told them not to.

What a weird group they are.

He is consistently inconsistent.

[Belsnickel]

(04-23-2020, 01:19 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Testing helps with disease surveillance; incidence, prevalence, mortality. It helps to determine hot spots and where to allocate needed resources if there was any sort of federal coordination.

It helps us determine if we are “flattening the curve” and we can relax the mitigation strategies so we can get back to normal without over burdening the medical system.

It helps local health care systems determine their mitigation strategies (telemedicine for instance) and how long they need to be implemented. And when the can start offering normal services again, like elective surgeries and imaging for example.

One of the interesting things I have been seeing with regards to testing, though, is how it can make things look a bit askew. For instance, if you were to look at infection rates in Virginia, my city has been in the top 5 for a while, was first the other day, and now sits second (and this is with the population count including roughly 20k college students that aren't here right now). Now, are we really a hot spot? Our hospital isn't really overwhelmed with things, it's been going relatively smoothly when I talk to doctors I know. So what is up with this? Well, we test a lot. We apparently are testing more than most localities in Virginia, which means we are showing more positives and thus showing a higher rate even though other places may have a higher rate but aren't testing.

The problem is that this has caused a little panic in the community in regards to the infection rate, here. Now, this isn't to say some people haven't been stupid, but the biggest reason for this high rate is our increased testing.

[samhain]

(04-23-2020, 09:01 AM)GMDino Wrote: Now Trump is saying Kemp (GA) is opening too early and he thinks opening up early is wrong.

Seriously.

The same "man" who tweeted for residents (in states with Democratic governors) to "liberate" their states.

And my conservative friends are NOW saying Kemp is opening too early and they won't go out because the President told them not to.

What a weird group they are.

Why, that's unconstitutional!  What about their rights!!  Georgia needs to open up yesterday or else Kemp is a Nazi communist socialist!  Constitution AR-15 Speak to The Mothertruckin' Manager ARRRGHHH!!!  We need to liberate Georgia or Bill Gates will microchip us and turn us into Soylent Green!

As for the POTUS, it almost seems as if his strategy is to take every policy position imaginable on the re-opening. I guess that way, he can sit back and pick apart somebody (anybody) else if/when it goes sideways. Write some guidelines, tweet some stuff that contradicts guidelines, take credit for successes, hand out blame for failures.

[BmorePat87]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-hhschief-speci/special-report-former-labradoodle-breeder-was-tapped-to-lead-u-s-pandemic-task-force-idUSKCN2243CE

Before Pence took over, the guy running the Covid-19 response was a guy with no formal education or experience in anything health related outside of 3 years on and off serving as an aide. He spent twice as much time in his career breeding dogs...

During that crucial first month, he left out the FDA in the task force and failed to push the CDC to make its own tests, even as The WHO and other nations were.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(04-23-2020, 12:39 PM)samhain Wrote: Why, that's unconstitutional!  What about their rights!!  Georgia needs to open up yesterday or else Kemp is a Nazi communist socialist!  Constitution AR-15 Speak to The Mothertruckin' Manager ARRRGHHH!!!  We need to liberate Georgia or Bill Gates will microchip us and turn us into Soylent Green!

As for the POTUS, it almost seems as if his strategy is to take every policy position imaginable on the re-opening. I guess that way, he can sit back and pick apart somebody (anybody) else if/when it goes sideways. Write some guidelines, tweet some stuff that contradicts guidelines, take credit for successes, hand out blame for failures.

We received a postcard in the mail this week from the CDC, “President Trump’s Coronavirus Guidelines for America.”

Very first item listed, “Listen and follow the directions of your STATE AND LOCAL AUTHORITIES.”. (Their emphasis, not mine.)

I wouldn’t know that by listening to him undermine the governors during his press conferences.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(04-23-2020, 11:30 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: One of the interesting things I have been seeing with regards to testing, though, is how it can make things look a bit askew. For instance, if you were to look at infection rates in Virginia, my city has been in the top 5 for a while, was first the other day, and now sits second (and this is with the population count including roughly 20k college students that aren't here right now). Now, are we really a hot spot? Our hospital isn't really overwhelmed with things, it's been going relatively smoothly when I talk to doctors I know. So what is up with this? Well, we test a lot. We apparently are testing more than most localities in Virginia, which means we are showing more positives and thus showing a higher rate even though other places may have a higher rate but aren't testing.

The problem is that this has caused a little panic in the community in regards to the infection rate, here. Now, this isn't to say some people haven't been stupid, but the biggest reason for this high rate is our increased testing.

Testing inconsistencies is a result of the test shortages and 50 states competing for limited resources instead of a coordinated effort on the federal level. This results in less than ideal data to make informed decisions regarding the public health and the economy. Ideally, we want to make the best decisions for both, but we’ve barely tested 1% of the population and then trying to make decisions based upon the last week’s worth of data despite at least a week lag time for reporting the new numbers.

[oncemoreuntothejimbreech]

(04-23-2020, 01:28 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-hhschief-speci/special-report-former-labradoodle-breeder-was-tapped-to-lead-u-s-pandemic-task-force-idUSKCN2243CE

Before Pence took over, the guy running the Covid-19 response was a guy with no formal education or experience in anything health related outside of 3 years on and off serving as an aide. He spent twice as much time in his career breeding dogs...

During that crucial first month, he left out the FDA in the task force and failed to push the CDC to make its own tests, even as The WHO and other nations were.

LabCorp uses a coronavirus test manufactured by Abbott Labs. They were using that test in China in January. Abbott Labs didn’t get emergency use authorization for their test in the US from the FDA until mid-March after discovering the false positive problem with the CDC test. At which point they needed to produce and ship the test in the US. Because Abbott’s manufacturing plant in China doesn’t export that test to the US.

[*bfine32*]

Seems the updates I listen to Trump says he defers to Governors; perhaps, I missed all this "undermining". As to the whole situation; I view it a lot like Dan Crenshaw. He's be a good replacement for Trump in 2024:

[Belsnickel]

(04-23-2020, 05:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Seems the updates I listen to Trump says he defers to Governors; perhaps, I missed all this "undermining". As to the whole situation; I view it a lot like Dan Crenshaw. He's be a good replacement for Trump in 2024:

Trump's positions have changed by the hour on some things, which includes his deference to governors. When he caught flak for trying to say he was the one with "absolute power" to make the determination about reopening the economy, he reversed course. He's just flailing.

[*bfine32*]

(04-23-2020, 05:42 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: Trump's positions have changed by the hour on some things, which includes his deference to governors. When he caught flak for trying to say he was the one with "absolute power" to make the determination about reopening the economy, he reversed course. He's just flailing.

This situation is evolving daily, but you call adjusting your stance on matters "flailing". I think that's a great example of what Crenshaw was talking about in the interview. 

[Belsnickel]

(04-23-2020, 05:50 PM)bfine32 Wrote: This situation is evolving daily, but you call adjusting your stance on matters "flailing". I think that's a great example of what Crenshaw was talking about in the interview. 

I think he is flailing because he doesn't know what to do and doesn't understand how the government works, not because he "adjusts his stance" once he has been told he was wrong.

If you want to defend his poor leadership, fine. Just don't get sanctimonious about people having biases when your's shine so brightly.

[fredtoast]

(04-23-2020, 05:33 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Seems the updates I listen to Trump says he defers to Governors; perhaps, I missed all this "undermining". As to the whole situation; I view it a lot like Dan Crenshaw. He's be a good replacement for Trump in 2024:

What a clown.  He tries to defend Trump by saying "The American people would not have gone along with earlier lock down when there were only 102 case." when the main reason the people would not have gone for it was because Trump was telling them not to.

Then he tries to claim the Trumps ignoring scientific advice was just him being "positive" and then says "That is the way we want our SEAL leaders to be."  What a load of bullshit.  SEAL leaders are NOT trained to ignore expert advice and lie just to be "positive."  There is a huge difference between being "calm" (calm breeds calm) and ignoring expert advice and tell lies.

He complains about Pelosi not putting a Coronavirus emergency fund up for vote in early February, but at that time all the Republicans in congress were siding with Trump that it was "no big deal" so it was not Pelosi keeping them from taking action.