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(05-29-2020, 08:41 PM)GMDino Wrote: 
Doesn't make sense. The sun's out in that photo. Oh dear God!!! The 2nd wave is already upon us.
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(05-29-2020, 08:57 PM)jason Wrote: Doesn't make sense. The sun's out in that photo. Oh dear God!!! The 2nd wave is already upon us.
It's almost like people can be asymptomatic and spread the disease without even knowing and we should be careful about large gatherings and proper mitigation.
Nah...suns out! 
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Yesterday the POTUS's doctor released a two page summary of how incredibly healthy the 75 year old who exists on diet coke, fast food and adderall is.
Also in there was a sentence about Trump's two week regimin of hydroxychloroquine...turns out he might as well have drank bathwater.
https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2020-06-03/chloroquine-antimalarials-worthless-against-coronavirus
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[color=var(--primaryTextColor)]President Trump — on COVID-19 finds that they’re worthless against the disease caused by the coronavirus.
The results from a trial of 821 non-hospitalized subjects who had been exposed to the virus by someone living in their household or as a healthcare worker or first responder were released Wednesday by researchers at the University of Minnesota who led the trial.[/color]
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The results are due to be published later Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine.
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Quote:[color=var(--secondaryColor8)]While we are disappointed that this did not prevent COVID-19, we are pleased that we were able to provide a conclusive answer.[/color]
The key finding is that hydroxychloroquine, the most common preparation of drugs typically used to prevent malaria and to help those with autoimmune conditions such as lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, “was not able to prevent the development of COVID-19 any better than a placebo.”
Moreover, the researchers reported, 40% of the trial participants taking the drug developed side effects including nausea, upset stomach or diarrhea. The researchers termed these effects “non-serious.”
They said, however, that they found no evidence of cardiac complications — a leading fear among medical experts who cautioned against casually prescribing hydroxychloroquine, especially when administered together with certain antibiotics.
“Our objective was to answer the question of whether hydroxychloroquine worked to prevent disease or did not work,” said David Boulware, the lead researcher at the University of Minnesota. “While we are disappointed that this did not prevent COVID-19, we are pleased that we were able to provide a conclusive answer.”
The study should help end the craze for chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine as preventive drugs or treatments for COVID-19, the pandemic disease caused by the novel coronavirus.
The most prominent promoter of the antimalarials as nostrums against the coronavirus has been Trump, who talked them up as potential “game changers” starting in March. More recently, he said he had been taking hydroxychloroquine as a preventive himself, though that claim could not be verified.
The lead originator of the theory that the antimalarials were effective against the virus was Didier Raoult, a prominent French epidemiologist. Raoult’s research, however, has been widely criticized as sloppy and inconclusive. Nevertheless, it was taken up by Trump and cited by Dr. Mehmet Oz, whose television program is followed by millions of U.S. viewers even though its claims for medical advances have often been questioned by the scientific establishment.
Evidently at Trump’s urging, government agencies stockpiled hydroxychloroquine, and the Food and Drug Administration issued a rare emergency-use authorization that effectively overrode doctors’ doubts about the preparation. The FDA subsequently cautioned against the use of hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine for COVID-19 because of cardiac risks.
The drugs were eagerly sought by doctors and laypeople desperate for prevention or treatment for a disease whose symptoms and deadliness are still not entirely understood by medical experts.
Meanwhile, patients needing the drug for legitimate uses against lupus and other diseases ran into shortages because of its diversion to coronavirus treatment.
Over time, some medical centers that had incorporated the drugs into their standard treatments for COVID-19 patients abandoned them, generally concluding that they were ineffective and therefore not worth the risk of side effects such as heart problems.
A recent study that purported to find an increased risk of cardiac problems among patients taking hydroxychloroqiuine or chloroquine, as it happens, has been questioned by hundreds of researchers, in part due to doubts about the private database of 96,000 patients worldwide used in the study.
The Lancet, the British medical journal that published the paper, has attached an “expression of concern” to the study, which may be a precursor to its retraction. The New England Journal of Medicine has tagged a related study with its own “expression of concern.”
Those doubts aren’t relevant to the Minnesota study, in which half of the 821 participants received a five-day treatment with hydroxychloroquine and half received five days of a vitamin pill as a placebo. The trial was double-blinded, meaning that neither the subjects nor the researchers knew which treatment they were receiving.
The subjects were followed for two weeks to see if they developed symptoms of COVID-19.
“Approximately 12% of those given hydroxychloroquine developed COVID-19 versus approximately 14% given the vitamin placebo,” the researchers reported. The difference was not statistically significant.
“Even if there was a statistical difference,” the researchers wrote, “this would equate to treating 42 persons with hydroxychloroquine in order to prevent one infection.”
They said there” was no further benefit to prevent infection among those who also took zinc or vitamin C,” which are commonly paired with the antimalarials.
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The pandemic has almost disappear here in France.
We stayed home without protesting much ( which is a french achievment ) and the end is near.
Good luck to you.
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(06-04-2020, 10:45 AM)Arturo Bandini Wrote: The pandemic has almost disappear here in France.
We stayed home without protesting much ( which is a french achievment ) and the end is near.
Good luck to you.
France does loves to march and protest!
Southern states have seen a steady rise. Might be more testing, might be more spreading.
Locally we have been much better.
Unfortunately the short attention span President is bored with it so we have no leadership from Washington.
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We are definitely good at marching and protesting.
That's our thing.
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One more strike against the "theory" that this drug was useful for Covid.
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Jobs number was a huge surprise. Unemployment was expected to reach near 20 percent. Instead it dropped from over 14 percent last month to 13 percent this month. 2.5 million jobs were added.
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(06-05-2020, 10:10 AM)Goalpost Wrote: Jobs number was a huge surprise. Unemployment was expected to reach near 20 percent. Instead it dropped from over 14 percent last month to 13 percent this month. 2.5 million jobs were added.
Really cool story. Bro. Thanks.
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(06-05-2020, 10:10 AM)Goalpost Wrote: Jobs number was a huge surprise. Unemployment was expected to reach near 20 percent. Instead it dropped from over 14 percent last month to 13 percent this month. 2.5 million jobs were added.
Yep. Instead of losing 12 million we only lost 9.
Now things opening up have helped. I'm reading that there are more permanent layoffs so far too.
And the original unemployment rate was "miscalculated".
https://www.stamfordadvocate.com/business/article/The-May-jobs-report-had-misclassification-error-15320999.php
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Published 7:35 pm EDT, Friday, June 5, 2020
When the U.S. government's official jobs report for May came out on Friday, it included a note at the bottom saying there had been a major "error" and the unemployment rate likely should be higher than the widely report 13.3 percent rate.
The special note said that if this misclassification error had not occurred, the "overall unemployment rate would have been about 3 percentage points higher than reported," meaning the unemployment rate would be about 16.3 percent for May.
The Bureau of Labor Statistics, the agency that puts out the monthly jobs reports, said it was working to fix the problem.
"BLS and the Census Bureau are investigating why this misclassification error continues to occur and are taking additional steps to address the issue," said a note at the bottom of the Bureau of Labor Statistics report.
Some took this as a sign that President Donald Trump or one of his staffers might have tinkered with the data to make it look better, especially since most forecasters predicted the unemployment rate would be close to 20 percent in May, up from 14.7 percent in April. But economists and former BLS leaders from across the political strongly dismissed the idea that Trump or anyone else tampered with the data.
Economists say the BLS was trying to be as transparent as possible about how hard it is to collect real-time data during a pandemic. The BLS admitted that some people who should have been classified as "temporarily unemployed" during the shutdown were instead misclassified as employed but "absent" from work for "other reasons."
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But at least he didn't "look bad".
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(06-06-2020, 04:44 PM)GMDino Wrote: But at least he didn't "look bad".
According to the article, the plant was only open for the time that Trump was there and the plan was to toss the swabs, likely because they expected the conditions with the tour to not be the necessary sanitary standards.
The guy seems to be applying his own narrative that isn't supported by the article.
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(06-06-2020, 04:44 PM)GMDino Wrote: But at least he didn't "look bad".
That picture literally looks more like Alec Baldwin in costume playing Trump than actual Trump.
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Finally got the Covid-19 PCR nasal swabs this week. Management was basically forced into getting them to us through their own incompetence. Didn’t even have the test in the computer system the first day for us to order the tests. First three patients I tested were positive. All three are nurses.
I hope they were listening to the CDC and wearing a face covering in public when not at work to help reduce the chance of spreading it to others. Instead of listening to our president tell people he won’t wear one or listening to the BS about wearing a mask if you’re scared.
Also, patient visits have increased by a conservative estimate of at least 300% now that we have the test. Although that is a mere drop in the bucket of the $25M/week they claim they are losing, it more than covers the 10% they cut from my salary.
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(06-07-2020, 02:12 AM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: Finally got the Covid-19 PCR nasal swabs this week. Management was basically forced into getting them to us through their own incompetence. Didn’t even have the test in the computer system the first day for us to order the tests. First three patients I tested were positive. All three are nurses.
I hope they were listening to the CDC and wearing a face covering in public when not at work to help reduce the chance of spreading it to others. Instead of listening to our president tell people he won’t wear one or listening to the BS about wearing a mask if you’re scared.
Also, patient visits have increased by a conservative estimate of at least 300% now that we have the test. Although that is a mere drop in the bucket of the $25M/week they claim they are losing, it more than covers the 10% they cut from my salary.
Capitalism at its finest. Somewhere there is a private equity AI algorithm turning the screws just a bit more as a result. Hope the ‘interns’ from the local HS vocational school can fix that outdated autoclave as advertised. God knows that recycled PPE isn’t going to sterilize itself at the gross margins projected by a pre-2020 amortization schedule.
Get bent you public servant. If you don’t like it maybe you should have been born whiter to a richer family. Bootstraps ************. Pull ‘em up.
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(06-07-2020, 02:39 AM)Vas Deferens Wrote: Capitalism at its finest. Somewhere there is a private equity AI algorithm turning the screws just a bit more as a result. Hope the ‘interns’ from the local HS vocational school can fix that outdated autoclave as advertised. God knows that recycled PPE isn’t going to sterilize itself at the gross margins projected by a pre-2020 amortization schedule.
Get bent you public servant. If you don’t like it maybe you should have been born whiter to a richer family. Bootstraps ************. Pull ‘em up.
N95 masks and gowns have to be worn for 2 weeks.
I got a new face shield made by GM. Pretty nice.
Still waiting on my MAGA PPE, but I won’t hold my breath because Trump ain’t using the Defense Production Act to cut into his profits. That’s just for losers like GM.
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(06-06-2020, 11:51 PM)BmorePat87 Wrote: According to the article, the plant was only open for the time that Trump was there and the plan was to toss the swabs, likely because they expected the conditions with the tour to not be the necessary sanitary standards.
The guy seems to be applying his own narrative that isn't supported by the article.
But the narrative is exactly right. The plant knew Trump would ignore safety and sanitary standards so they produced for him and his dog and pony show and then tossed everything. I supposed I should blame the factory for not "standing up" to the POTUS. They must not have had someone there to tell him that people "always" listen to. But the simple fact that they KNEW one person, Trump, would ignore the rules and so pre-planned to destroy everything he was around says a lot about him.
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(06-07-2020, 10:07 AM)GMDino Wrote: But the narrative is exactly right. The plant knew Trump would ignore safety and sanitary standards so they produced for him and his dog and pony show and then tossed everything. I supposed I should blame the factory for not "standing up" to the POTUS. They must not have had someone there to tell him that people "always" listen to. But the simple fact that they KNEW one person, Trump, would ignore the rules and so pre-planned to destroy everything he was around says a lot about him.
Well no, the narrative is incorrect then. The narrative of the tweet was that Trump caused them to throw out a day's worth of product by not wearing a mask.
The reality is that they chose to waste a day of production by allowing him to tour the facility, planning for the factory to only operate for the time he was there. No private business has to let the president into it.
The business is who I am more upset with. The swabs are scarce and they opted to waste a day of production. Obviously we can be upset with Trump for wanting the photo op over the value of a day's worth of production, but these are two very different narratives than what the original tweet offered, and that's disappointing given that the author of the tweet is an editor.
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