2020 Election

[*michaelsean*]

(11-06-2020, 12:14 AM)NATI BENGALS Wrote: That’s why I haven’t been quick to celebrate. They have packed the courts for 4 years. And they have been trying to rig this election against Biden for Almost two years. When they talk about illegal ballot dumping. That means they are dumping illegal ballots.

“That crazy guy thinks the election is rigged.”

Take a lap around the fish bowl.

“This election is rigged.”

[*michaelsean*]

(11-05-2020, 11:54 PM)Nately120 Wrote: Fox called AZ a long ass time ago.  Methinks that is why Trump was going after Murdoch.  Further indication Trump is going to establish his "true news network" as soon as he's out of office.

The AP called it too. That’s what I’ve been looking at via yahoo.

[NATI BENGALS]

(11-06-2020, 12:26 AM)michaelsean Wrote: “That crazy guy thinks the election is rigged.”  

Take a lap around the fish bowl.

“This election is rigged.”

That "crazy guy" could always use a little further explanation...

Let me explain.

Impeached reality tv show host conman serial sexual assaulter narcissist who can't stop lying bankrupted casinos golfed more than Obama is undemocratic and loves strong men dictators.... And doesn't give a shit about you while spreading around a global pandemic in an attempt to retain power with no remorse for the health of his followers. 

If someone is rigging the election... Guess which one it is

[Big Boss]

W-o-w.

With Don Jr present, top Trump Campaign surrogate Vernon Jones threatens to shoot Biden supporters tonight: “We’re starting now to see the white in their eyes and we’re getting ready to start shooting.”

(Video below)

https://mobile.twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1324528644719480834

[Big Boss]

Reports that Philadelphia Police took an allegedly armed man into custody, after they say he drove up from Virginia to “attack the Convention Center,” where the vote counting is underway.
This is the price of rhetoric detached from reality.

https://mobile.twitter.com/briantaff6abc/status/1324565091401060353

[BmorePat87]

(11-05-2020, 11:32 PM)Brownshoe Wrote: So Qanon is racist now? I have no idea who they are or what they believe. The first encounter I had with one of them was a older woman I met while I was a semi driver. She showed me a video of one of their things and I just wrote it off as some crazy conspiracy theory crap. All it seemed to me was anti-pedophilia stuff that had conspiracies all over. Just out of curiosity, because I don't really want to research into that nonsense, what is racist about them (since I haven't heard that they were racist yet)

Loeffler campaigned with congresswoman-elect Marjorie Taylor Greene who has a history of making racist statements. She is also a Qanon follower. So I am not saying all qanon dip shits are racists, just this one who Loeffler campaigned with. McCarthy and Scalise condemned the things Taylor Greene said. 

Now she's going to be their colleague. Nice work, Republicans! 

[BmorePat87]

(11-06-2020, 12:24 AM)michaelsean Wrote: So his goal had to be a runoff with him as one of the top two. No way he thought he could win it outright.

yea, essentially it served as the primary for both parties. 

[BmorePat87]

(11-06-2020, 01:01 AM)Big Boss Wrote: W-o-w.

With Don Jr present, top Trump Campaign surrogate Vernon Jones threatens to shoot Biden supporters tonight: “We’re starting now to see the white in their eyes and we’re getting ready to start shooting.”

(Video below)

https://mobile.twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1324528644719480834

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/5/vernon-jones-pro-trump-georgia-democrat-vows-fight/

Here's the Washington Times finding a way to cover this without mentioning the fact that he said "we're getting ready to start shooting". 

[KillerGoose]

Biden has taken the lead in Georgia.

[Au165]

How crazy is it that we are sitting wondering, but kind of know, who won the election...when one person has 4 million more votes? For perspective, that is more than the population of 28 states. It's time to take the electoral college outback and put it down.

[*michaelsean*]

(11-06-2020, 09:14 AM)Au165 Wrote: How crazy is it that we are sitting wondering, but kind of know, who won the election...when one person has 4 million more votes? For perspective, that is more than the population of 28 states. It's time to take the electoral college outback and put it down.

Not crazy. Just timing. He’s ahead in each by a healthy margin and will win each by a healthy margin.

[Brownshoe]

(11-06-2020, 09:14 AM)Au165 Wrote: How crazy is it that we are sitting wondering, but kind of know, who won the election...when one person has 4 million more votes? For perspective, that is more than the population of 28 states. It's time to take the electoral college outback and put it down.

I disagree with killing the electoral college. It helps protect a lot of the nation from being run from the cities. Different areas need to be governed in different ways, plus we live in a federal republic where each state holds power to make its own laws, and it's people having their voices heard, which would be compromised if the electoral college was removed.

I do agree that it's looking like it's been an inevitable Biden win since Wednesday. If (when) he wins, then he deserves to be congratulated. There's only 2 things I'm worried about a Biden presidency. He'll follow Obama's lead and be way more aggressive militarily and screw up peace talks in the middle east, and another is that he'll end/hurt fracking. The former is more important to me than the latter, but I used to work in the oil fields of North Dakota (semi truck) , and I know how devastating that would be for that state and those kinds of area's. There would have to be a mass exodus, because all there is up there is farming and fracking. In Williston there is free college education because the fracking oil companies pay the schools to give that to the public. Plus the price of transportation will skyrocket (meaning everything will increase in price).

[GMDino]

(11-06-2020, 09:14 AM)Au165 Wrote: How crazy is it that we are sitting wondering, but kind of know, who won the election...when one person has 4 million more votes? For perspective, that is more than the population of 28 states. It's time to take the electoral college outback and put it down.

Very crazy.  People still fear "big cities" winning the election when that is just smoke and mirrors.  Every person gets a vote and if more people vote Republican or more people vote Democrat then we have a winner.

Instead they cling to a system where more people vote for one person but certain individual states going the other way wipe out the vote for the rest of the country.

[Au165]

(11-06-2020, 09:34 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: I disagree with killing the electoral college. It helps protect a lot of the nation from being run from the cities. Different areas need to be governed in different ways, plus we live in a federal republic where each state holds power to make its own laws, and it's people having their voices heard, which would be compromised if the electoral college was removed.

I do agree that it's looking like it's been an inevitable Biden win since Wednesday. If (when) he wins, then he deserves to be congratulated. There's only 2 things I'm worried about a Biden presidency. He'll follow Obama's lead and be way more aggressive militarily and screw up peace talks in the middle east, and another is that he'll end/hurt fracking. The former is more important to me than the latter, but I used to work in the oil fields of North Dakota (semi truck) , and I know how devastating that would be for that state and those kinds of area's. There would have to be a mass exodus, because all there is up there is farming and fracking. In Williston there is free college education because the fracking oil companies pay the schools to give that to the public. Plus the price of transportation will skyrocket (meaning everything will increase in price).

That is what your legislative representatives are for, to make sure your area is represented. The President is an office that governs for all and should be elected with the idea that each vote counts as one vote and is equally valuable as all others. The legislators can represent land, the President needs to represent the people. 

[GMDino]

(11-06-2020, 01:01 AM)Big Boss Wrote: W-o-w.

With Don Jr present, top Trump Campaign surrogate Vernon Jones threatens to shoot Biden supporters tonight: “We’re starting now to see the white in their eyes and we’re getting ready to start shooting.”

(Video below)

https://mobile.twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1324528644719480834

(11-06-2020, 01:22 AM)Big Boss Wrote: Reports that Philadelphia Police took an allegedly armed man into custody, after they say he drove up from Virginia to “attack the Convention Center,” where the vote counting is underway.
This is the price of rhetoric detached from reality.

https://mobile.twitter.com/briantaff6abc/status/1324565091401060353

(11-06-2020, 01:48 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/5/vernon-jones-pro-trump-georgia-democrat-vows-fight/

Here's the Washington Times finding a way to cover this without mentioning the fact that he said "we're getting ready to start shooting". 

Also Steve Bannon

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/05/tech/steve-bannon-twitter-permanent-suspension/index.html

Quote:Twitter permanently suspended an account belonging to former White House chief strategist Steve Bannon after he suggested Thursday morning that Dr. Anthony Fauci and FBI Director Christopher Wray should be beheaded. His comments were made in a video posted to his Facebook, YouTube, and Twitter accounts.


Bannon falsely claimed President Trump had won reelection, despite several key states still being too close to call, and said that he should fire both Fauci and Wray.


He then said he would go further: "I'd put the heads on pikes. Right. I'd put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats. You either get with the program or you are gone."


The comments came during a livestream of Bannon's "War Room: Pandemic" online show.

Damn..."the left" better pick up the pace if they want to keep the lead on violence like we've been told!

[GMDino]

(11-05-2020, 09:08 PM)michaelsean Wrote: Sorry I missed it.

(11-05-2020, 09:15 PM)bfine32 Wrote: First of all; that's quite the statement

Secondly: what is?

(11-05-2020, 10:18 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I've turned off politics entirely since yesterday afternoon; except for this forum. From the commentary here it sounds quite bad. 

Please bfine, take a few moments (15 minutes or so) from your above-it-all day and watch the boy you defended from all those "unfair" attacks for the last four years stand at the podium and lie and whine and sound absolutely pathetic.

I'd really like your take on it.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?477858-1/president-trump-challenges-latest-election-results-claims-voter-fraud

Because the Susan Collins-esque "tsk tsk" doesn't quite do this justice.

[BmorePat87]

(11-06-2020, 09:34 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: I disagree with killing the electoral college. It helps protect a lot of the nation from being run from the cities. Different areas need to be governed in different ways, plus we live in a federal republic where each state holds power to make its own laws, and it's people having their voices heard, which would be compromised if the electoral college was removed.

I do agree that it's looking like it's been an inevitable Biden win since Wednesday. If (when) he wins, then he deserves to be congratulated. There's only 2 things I'm worried about a Biden presidency. He'll follow Obama's lead and be way more aggressive militarily and screw up peace talks in the middle east, and another is that he'll end/hurt fracking. The former is more important to me than the latter, but I used to work in the oil fields of North Dakota (semi truck) , and I know how devastating that would be for that state and those kinds of area's. There would have to be a mass exodus, because all there is up there is farming and fracking. In Williston there is free college education because the fracking oil companies pay the schools to give that to the public. Plus the price of transportation will skyrocket (meaning everything will increase in price).

You'd need something like the 50 largest cities to all vote 100% for one candidate for them to control everyone else, but what you're describing (being governed in different ways) isn't compromised by the President. The 10th Amendment still protects those state powers and they still have equal representation in the Senate.

Not to mention the use of winner-take-all by 48 states silences far more voices, creating the illusion that purple states are red or blue. 

Arguably a popular election of the President coupled with a Senate that favors smaller states would lead to far more compromise for the majority of Americans. 

[Brownshoe]

(11-06-2020, 09:47 AM)Au165 Wrote: That is what your legislative representatives are for, to make sure your area is represented. The President is an office that governs for all and should be elected with the idea that each vote counts as one vote and is equally valuable as all others. The legislators can represent land, the President needs to represent the people. 

The smaller states wouldn't have a voice for president. You would be denying almost half the country a voice because the cities has more population. Almost everyone I know who moved to North Dakota that was formerly Democrats turned Republican because they didn't realize what it's like to live out in the country. Being in a federal republic every state has a voice, and the more population a state has the more electoral votes it has. That is a very fair way to elect a president, because city voters mostly have no idea what it's like out in the country. It wouldn't be fair for CA and NY to control the country, because that's what it would basically be.

[GMDino]

(11-06-2020, 09:58 AM)BmorePat87 Wrote: You'd need something like the 50 largest cities to all vote 100% for one candidate for them to control everyone else, but what you're describing (being governed in different ways) isn't compromised by the President. The 10th Amendment still protects those state powers and they still have equal representation in the Senate.

Not to mention the use of winner-take-all by 48 states silences far more voices, creating the illusion that purple states are red or blue. 

Arguably a popular election of the President coupled with a Senate that favors smaller states would lead to far more compromise for the majority of Americans. 

So many of my Republican friends are now "done with politics" because "their vote didn't matter" this year.

They never understood how it worked.

[*Nately120*]

(11-06-2020, 10:00 AM)Brownshoe Wrote: The smaller states wouldn't have a voice for president. You would be denying almost half the country a voice because the cities has more population. Almost everyone I know who moved to North Dakota that was formerly Democrats turned Republican because they didn't realize what it's like to live out in the country. Being in a federal republic every state has a voice, and the more population a state has the more electoral votes it has. That is a very fair way to elect a president, because city voters mostly have no idea what it's like out in the country. It wouldn't be fair for CA and NY to control the country, because that's what it would basically be.

Wait, are you saying conservative indoctrination is a thing? The idea that it's ok for voters in the country to have more sway because people in the city would agree with them but they just don't know it because they live in a city seems like quite a stretch. Maybe I'm not reading your point correctly.