2020 Election
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11-06-2020, 04:30 PM
11-06-2020, 04:32 PM
Damn, just got around to watching that Trump news conference. I don't care what your party affiliation is, that was astoundingly embarrassing. Hell, even people on Fox, like Brett Baier and Trey Gowdy, are saying they've seen no actual 'evidence' of fraud and saying Trump should slow down on the accusations of such.
Listening to Trump during that debacle of a presser, my wife brought up an interesting point: it's funny that the only states experiencing 'voter fraud' are the states he's currently losing in or are too close to call. Incredibly convenient that there's no nefarious counting / fraud in the states he won?
11-06-2020, 04:33 PM
(11-06-2020, 04:30 PM)Au165 Wrote: ...but where has it been for 4 years? Doing it now while the ship is going down gets them no credit. And Graham and Cruz aren't exact B-listers and they're out there, on television, agreeing with Trump. I'm sure Gaetz and Jordan will up next. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
11-06-2020, 04:33 PM
(11-06-2020, 04:14 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Fracking has also caused a 900% increase in earthquakes in Oklahoma. This is not a crazy internet claim. It is ytrue and even the oil companies have admitted it. Yes, fracking is literally causing earthquakes. That's what fracking is. Most of the earthquakes are 1 or less on their scale. Lol I guess most farmers shouldn't have a farm. That's pretty ridiculous. I would agree if farmers actually made some money, but I guess it's great to kill the people that feed the country. That makes you seem pretty insane honestly. But the people in cities decided to approve the clean water act when the farmers hated it. They took the streams that was on their land and claimed it as federal land. That's straight up BS. The votes and the voices of states are all that matters for a federal republic president. Every state has electoral college votes depending on the population. The thing is because we live in a federal republic California's votes don't bleed into other states. Every state picks who they want and whoever gets the most points wins. If that wasn't the case the country would be ruled by the coasts and the heartland would have very little say. It's fair how we have it now because every state has a voice in our federal republic and every state could he the determining factor in the election of a president. So the President actually has to worry about the heartland too, so they can get their votes.
11-06-2020, 04:34 PM
(11-06-2020, 04:06 PM)oncemoreuntothejimbreech Wrote: There is a significant difference between making a mistake and admitting I used the wrong term as I did and intentionally telling lie, after lie, after lie about three different college courses you never took in order to introduce white nationalist propaganda about the scientific definition of race as you did. But, I understand the need for your charade. Which is another reason why my vote should count 27,000 times more than yours.I'll take time to entertain you; as ignoring or reporting you has proven fruitless. I have 0 idea why my perhaps using the term anthropology instead of biology as the name of a class I took years ago. It was a science class in which we did studies of forensics. Are you suggesting I did this because I'm racist? As to being "chickenshit"; for real?
11-06-2020, 04:43 PM
(11-06-2020, 04:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: And Graham and Cruz aren't exact B-listers and they're out there, on television, agreeing with Trump.
11-06-2020, 04:46 PM
(11-06-2020, 04:43 PM)Au165 Wrote: Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
11-06-2020, 04:48 PM
(11-06-2020, 04:30 PM)Au165 Wrote: ...but where has it been for 4 years? Doing it now while the ship is going down gets them no credit. I remember early in the election cycle when Trump first hinted at a non-peaceful transition. McConnell said that's wrong. Transition will be peaceful. I didn't ask for anyone to give credit. I asked was it a fair statement to say GOP members of authority are calling out Trump on voter fraud more than Dems did on collusion?
11-06-2020, 04:52 PM
(11-06-2020, 04:33 PM)GMDino Wrote: And Graham and Cruz aren't exact B-listers and they're out there, on television, agreeing with Trump. Hey you and Don Jr. have something in common. It appears neither of you are happy with Graham's response: https://news.yahoo.com/no-one-surprised-trump-jr-013715121.html? Quote:'No one is surprised': Trump Jr hits out at Lindsey Graham failing to echo unfounded voter fraud claims
11-06-2020, 04:56 PM
(11-06-2020, 04:48 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I didn't ask for anyone to give credit. I asked was it a fair statement to say GOP members of authority are calling out Trump on voter fraud more than Dems did on collusion? Actually, you said... Quote:Personally I'm happy to see some people in positions of authority on the Right are calling Trump on his rhetoric To which I said "where was it the last 4 years?" The red herring sidebar you tried to get going really isn't relevant, which is why I haven't engaged in it. His "Rhetoric" has been dangerous for four years and a passing disagreement of it over 4 years wasn't speaking out, and putting a stop to it. The party is about to get everything it deserves for selling itself to the devil, including the devil and his children trying to destroy it as they get shown the door. Did you see Matt Gaet is writing a book? I am sure that won't have anything interesting in it.
11-06-2020, 04:59 PM
(11-06-2020, 04:52 PM)bfine32 Wrote: Hey you and Don Jr. have something in common. It appears neither of you are happy with Graham's response: Hey maybe this will make Jr. happy? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/lindsey-graham-500g-donation-trump-2020-campaign-legal-challenges Quote:Graham announces $500G donation to Trump campaign legal efforts, calls Philly elections 'crooked as a snake' I admit it was nice to see some kind of support for your attempt though. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
11-06-2020, 05:09 PM
https://www.businessinsider.com/newt-gingrich-asks-attorney-general-bill-barr-arrest-poll-workers-2020-11
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11-06-2020, 05:13 PM
(11-06-2020, 04:56 PM)Au165 Wrote: Actually, you said...I stated I'm proud to see the leaders of the GOP step up and call out his fraudulent votes rhetoric and you come back with "Where have they been they last 4 years" and then I'M the one introducing a Red Herring?
11-06-2020, 05:14 PM
(11-06-2020, 05:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I stated I'm proud to see the leaders of the GOP step up and call out his fraudulent votes rhetoric and you come back with "Where have they been they last 4 years" and then I'M the one introducing a Red Herring? No, my response was directed to your comment about condemning his rhetoric. Which is based around the election and his impending loss. Your comparison equivalency had nothing to do with anything, instead was trying to divert us into a Russian discussion yet again but really has nothing to do with this election, just more "whataboutisim". It's cool though, the good news is the Republican party didn't condemn the rhetoric and the country noticed and voted out the President AND it is now possible they still lose the Senate. Maybe we should thank the Republican party for selling their soul? Anyways back to the election, now that Trump has lost and is going scorched earth on the party do the Democrats get the two seats for a split Senate?
11-06-2020, 05:21 PM
(11-06-2020, 05:14 PM)Au165 Wrote: No, my response was directed to your comment about condemning his rhetoric. Which is based around the election and his impending loss. Your comparison equivalency had nothing to do with anything, instead was trying to divert us into a Russian discussion yet again but really has nothing to do with this election, just more "whataboutisim". Of course you're going to think you're right and I'm mistaken. But I did state I was proud to see the GOP leadership calling out Trump on his voter fraud rhetoric and asked is it fair to say they are doing so more than the Dems did with Russian collusion. You didn't answer that or even address it you went with "What about the last 4 years". At least we both agree a Red Herring and whataboutisim has been introduced. We just disagree on who introduced it
11-06-2020, 05:22 PM
(11-06-2020, 05:13 PM)bfine32 Wrote: I stated I'm proud to see the leaders of the GOP step up and call out his fraudulent votes rhetoric and you come back with "Where have they been they last 4 years" and then I'M the one introducing a Red Herring? It's a fair question though, IMO. Some of the people who are condemning his current rhetoric, McConnel for example, have had no issue with his other instances of moronic or even dangerous rhetoric over that past 4 years. I think some of them know the ship has already sunk and they are grabbing the life preservers, trying to save themselves and hoping people forget they had been defending the very things that help sink the ship in the first place.
11-06-2020, 05:23 PM
(11-06-2020, 03:32 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: To answer the main question: no. The reason for this is that states are represented in Congress. If the executive branch moves to strip mine public lands in North Dakota, then the Representatives and Senators from North Dakota have the option to stop those actions by working for a legislative check on those actions. That's how the system is supposed to work. Thanks for the explanation: I'm listening. But . . . My response to your first paragraph is--I understand the reason states are represented in Congress and the rationale for our bi-cameral legislature, etc. That's surely is how the system was supposed to work, but that does not exclude or replace or deny the power now accumulated to smaller states by the EC. National parties pay a great deal of attention to battleground states, but it is not entirely true to say they don't spend money or visit places that aren't battleground states. In part because it is not always clear where the battle ground states are/will be. Think of Wisconsin, Michigan, and PA in 2016--the Blue "firewall." Also, having been a Dem living in a reliably red state--and still in discussion with Dems actively organizing there--I can assure you that Dems in such states aren't simply ignored by the national party. And as the case of Georgia proves, such states' "minority" parties are incentivized to move their state into battleground status, drawing more support and national attention as they push to flip. EC or no, won't more time spent in VA still be more cost effective than time spent in Wyoming or Alaska, whose combined populations barely equal Fairfax County? I need more time to think about your final argument, which potentially has the most gravity. Rural Western states are already forced to act out their interests on Capital Hill; I'm having trouble imagining how they are advantaged in any way by elimination of the EC. Last night I was looking at counties in Nevada, trying to calculate Trump's chances. So easy to simply ignore Eureka county with less than 1,000 votes. That's Montana and Alaska on a national analogy--almost--but not quite because their "state" status gives them more heft. But we are a step closer to Eureka if the EC is trashed. That's why I am thinking over the long term here, and in principle, not simply to secure Dem power now cuz we lost the popular vote a couple of times. We lost it in a Federal system of states, not a unitary state collecting votes by administrative units like counties.
11-06-2020, 05:23 PM
(11-06-2020, 05:22 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: It's a fair question though, IMO. Some of the people who are condemning his current rhetoric, McConnel for example, have had no issue with his other instances of moronic or even dangerous rhetoric over that past 4 years. I think some of them know the ship has already sunk and they are grabbing the life preservers and hoping people forget they had been defending the very things that help sink the ship. McConnell, IMHO, never liked or cared about Trump. Trump was just another tool for Mitch to use to control things. So now he'll move along. The more I think about it Mitch probably used Trump like Trump uses everyone else and it might be the first time it ever happened to DJT. Your anger and ego will always reveal your true self.
11-06-2020, 05:27 PM
(11-06-2020, 05:22 PM)Bengalholic Wrote: It's a fair question though, IMO. Some of the people who are condemning his current rhetoric, McConnel for example, have had no issue with his other instances of moronic or even dangerous rhetoric over that past 4 years. I think some of them know the ship has already sunk and they are grabbing the life preservers, trying to save themselves and hoping people forget they had been defending the very things that help sink the ship in the first place. Fair reply, but I'll go with Mitch always reminded Trump where the true power lies. When Trump first hinted at non-peaceful transition McConnell told him that ain't happening before the first vote was cast. Of course politicians are going to look for the closest life preserver.
11-06-2020, 05:27 PM
(11-06-2020, 05:23 PM)GMDino Wrote: McConnell, IMHO, never liked or cared about Trump. Trump was just another tool for Mitch to use to control things. So now he'll move along. The party never believed in him and never liked him but preferred an "R" in the Whitehouse over the alternative. In reality, the Trumps will grift as always and be a thorn in the side of the party in the coming years trying to whip their base up to go after Republicans they don't like in an attempt to get back at them. They (Republican politicians) sold their souls and they will pay for it. When you F with crazy, crazy F's you back. |
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