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Election Challenges, Protests, Conspiracy Theories, and Moral Panics
Just read the entire transcript of the phone call Trump made.  One thing I learned is that Trump actually believes he won Georgia by hundreds of thousands of votes.

But the best quote was when Trump was addressing Ryan Germany who was one of the attorneys for the State of Georgia.


"Ryan, I’m sure you’re a good lawyer. You have a nice last name."




Here is another epic exchange between Georgia Sec of State and Trump


Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, they — people can say anything.

Trump: Oh this isn’t social media. This is Trump media. It’s not social media.



WTF does that even mean? What is "Trump media"?
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So... sedition? For real this time?

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346580318745206785
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(01-05-2021, 08:46 PM)Big Boss Wrote: So... sedition?  For real this time?

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1346580318745206785

How long before Trump turns on his supporters for not being willing enough to fight and die to keep him in power?  
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(01-05-2021, 09:01 PM)Nately120 Wrote: How long before Trump turns on his supporters for not being willing enough to fight and die to keep him in power?  

Dude, I’m convinced that is exactly what this is coming too.
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(01-05-2021, 09:48 PM)BengalHawk62 Wrote: Dude, I’m convinced that is exactly what this is coming too.

It seems a bit wild, but if you are ride or die with Trump and you are still alive on January 20th when he is ushered out of power do you become a modern day draft dodger?  Someone who was asked to defend his country but ran and hid instead?  I keep thinking I'm making stuff up and being hyperbolic, but never say never with this guy.

I'm half watching the GA runoff vote coming in.  With 48% of votes counted so far it's looking like both elections are rigged...stay tuned because some massive republican dumps could appear!
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(01-05-2021, 09:59 PM)Nately120 Wrote: It seems a bit wild, but if you are ride or die with Trump and you are still alive on January 20th when he is ushered out of power do you become a modern day draft dodger?  Someone who was asked to defend his country but ran and hid instead?  I keep thinking I'm making stuff up and being hyperbolic, but never say never with this guy.

I'm half watching the GA runoff vote coming in.  With 48% of votes counted so far it's looking like both elections are rigged...stay tuned because some massive republican dumps could appear!

All I know is that if the people I want to win don’t win then it is rigged for sure.
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Trump lost another court case in GA today to decertify the election results.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-05/judge-denies-trump-bid-to-invalidate-georgia-election-result


Quote:Judge Denies Trump Request to Invalidate Biden’s Georgia Win
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Erik Larson

January 5, 2021, 11:18 AM EST Updated on January 5, 2021, 6:09 PM EST
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    GOP Georgia governor told judge Trump’s demands were ‘absurd’
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    Trump’s suit is a ‘manufactured crisis,’ state said in filing


President Donald Trump failed again to invalidate his Georgia election loss and allow the state’s Republican-led legislature to declare him the winner -- his latest courtroom defeat in a quixotic effort to remain in office despite losing the Nov. 3 contest.

U.S. District Judge Mark H. Cohen in Atlanta on Tuesday denied Trump’s motion to “de-certify” Joe Biden’s victory in Georgia, saying the president was requesting “an extraordinary and unprecedented remedy” that would disenfranchise millions of people who lawfully cast their ballots two months ago.

“To interfere with the result of an election that has already concluded and has been audited and certified on multiple occasions would be unprecedented and harm the public in countless ways,” Cohen said in his decision.



During a hearing earlier Tuesday, for which there was no public dial-in access, the judge said the election was carried out validly under state law and the court can’t tell Congress which Electoral College votes it can count, a person familiar with the matter said.


Rehashed Claims
The ruling came in a Dec. 31 lawsuit filed by Trump that rehashed claims of voter fraud previously made by his campaign and allies in dozens of other cases that were universally rejected by courts. The latest suit came just days before Trump held a controversial call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a defendant in the case, asking him to “find” just enough votes to overturn Biden’s win.
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The judge also said Trump failed to cite any law or case “that provides for any mode of challenging electoral votes” that have already been certified and counted by the Electoral College, other than a method available for objections in Congress when the votes are formally opened and counted.


The hearing was held via videoconference for the lawyers and parties, but the public wasn’t permitted to call in after Trump’s lawyer declined to allow such access. The person familiar with the hearing, who asked not to be identified, provided details of the proceeding.


Georgia Governor Brian Kemp and Raffensperger, both Republicans, told the judge in a court filing Monday evening that Trump’s demands were “absurd,” and that his lawsuit was the result of a “manufactured crisis.”


Granting Trump’s request would “disenfranchise millions of Georgia voters” and “thrust the State of Georgia into constitutional chaos,” the officials said in the filing.


During the hearing, the person said, Cohen said Trump waited too long to challenge Georgia’s rules for mail-in voting during the pandemic, which were established in March, and that the president’s claims of rampant voter fraud should have been made earlier.


Biden’s Victory
Trump’s lawyer, Kurt Hilbert, said in court that the president failed to challenge Georgia’s March settlement agreement with Democrats over the handling of mail-in ballots because he didn’t know how the election would play out, according to the person.


Trump had asked the judge to issue an order declaring Georgia’s election “null and void.” That would have paved the way for Georgia’s legislature to choose electors for Trump, even after he lost the state.


Hilbert didn’t immediately respond to a message seeking comment.




The states’ Electoral College votes will be opened and counted on Wednesday during a normally procedural joint session of Congress that dozens of Republicans will use to challenge Biden’s victory.


Cohen’s ruling may not close the book on Trump’s legal challenges to the Georgia results. The Dec. 31 federal suit made many of the same allegations as an earlier one his campaign filed in state court against Raffensperger. That case is scheduled for Friday before Georgia Superior Court Judge Adele Grubbs in Atlanta, though it’s possible the Jan. 6 certification will render the matter moot.

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DJT got part of this right:  We are embarrassed by fools.  I just don't think he realizes HE and his cult members are the fools.

 
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As expected Arizona was challenged, start the clock! We should finish this up about 1 or 2 AM based on the belief they will challenge the 6 swing states Trump lost.
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It's being reported now Barr, before he left, and White House counsel have both told Trump he should not attempt to pardon himself. Sounds like they do not believe it will hold up, but when you are cornered you might as well take a swing, right?
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(01-11-2021, 05:27 PM)Au165 Wrote: It's being reported now Barr, before he left, and White House counsel have both told Trump he should not attempt to pardon himself. Sounds like they do not believe it will hold up, but when you are cornered you might as well take a swing, right?

Maybe, but who is smarter than Trump?  Clearly he knows better.  He can do whatever he wants!  Cool



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(01-11-2021, 05:27 PM)Au165 Wrote: It's being reported now Barr, before he left, and White House counsel have both told Trump he should not attempt to pardon himself. Sounds like they do not believe it will hold up, but when you are cornered you might as well take a swing, right?



If he pardons himself he will be admitting he committed a crime.  I don't think he wants to go there.
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(01-11-2021, 05:36 PM)fredtoast Wrote: If he pardons himself he will be admitting he committed a crime.  I don't think he wants to go there.

I don't think he cares.  He can just say that he's pardoning himself because "liberal set up #587." 
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Didn't want to make a thread on this, but Coach Belichick has declined the Medal of Freedom from you know who.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bill-belichick-turns-down-presidential-medal-of-freedom-honor-from-trump/ar-BB1cF95f?li=BBorjTa

Also Arnold came out yesterday slamming him. I couldnt agree more with what he said.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/politics/arnold-schwarzenegger-capitol-siege-trnd/index.html
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(01-12-2021, 12:29 AM)Millhouse Wrote: Didn't want to make a thread on this, but Coach Belichick has declined the Medal of Freedom from you know who.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bill-belichick-turns-down-presidential-medal-of-freedom-honor-from-trump/ar-BB1cF95f?li=BBorjTa

Also Arnold came out yesterday slamming him. I couldnt agree more with what he said.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/politics/arnold-schwarzenegger-capitol-siege-trnd/index.html

Nicely done, fellas. 
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(01-12-2021, 12:29 AM)Millhouse Wrote: Didn't want to make a thread on this, but Coach Belichick has declined the Medal of Freedom from you know who.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/bill-belichick-turns-down-presidential-medal-of-freedom-honor-from-trump/ar-BB1cF95f?li=BBorjTa

Also Arnold came out yesterday slamming him. I couldnt agree more with what he said.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/10/politics/arnold-schwarzenegger-capitol-siege-trnd/index.html

Trump's social standing is plummeting.

Many otherwise indifferent celebrities will now refuse any public association with him.

Hats off to Belicheck.  Any, Trump debased the medal when he gave it to Limbaugh. 

Lynn Cheney just promised to vote for impeachment too.
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Jim Jordan, who got a medal from the POTUS today, is currently arguing against masks on the floor of the House, complaining about walking through a metal detector (passed after 9/11) and arguing for sanctions against anyone who speaks badly of Trump.

 
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According to the NYT, in Trump's last ditch effort to convince Pence to use powers he does not have to overturn the election, he told him last Wednesday that “You can either go down in history as a patriot, or you can go down in history as a p---y,”
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Since this is so crazy I'll just leave here.

Remember all those years ago when republicans accused the democrats of being babies and snowflakes who needed safe spaces?

And remember when we wondered if Tucker was dangerous for America?

Good times.

 
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