Joey B talks to Collinsworth

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(04-22-2021, 12:02 PM)PDub80 Wrote: YES, I disagree with your generalization that NFL players lie about their coaches. By your rationale, you could never believe anything a player ever says about any organization or coach because they are all being influenced by something or lying.

^ This, again, is an all or nothing, black/white approach. It's unrealistic.

I'm sure we can go back through post histories of members and find where they agree with what players say.... as long is it fits their personal narrative.

No one listening to Joe Burrow's interview would think he is being disingenuous with what he's saying. What he said cannot be disproven at all. He gave his opinion and personal experience on working with Zac. And people are on here just dismissing it because "he works there". Well, no shit, Sherlock. Who else's opinion would matter more than the guys who directly work with Taylor?

Marvin Lewis was given over a decade to win. And he came in with a roster who's best players were young and entering their prime. They were LODAED on offense and had a very good O line... and the #1 pick in hand. They needed tweaking and organizational modernization. He gave them that. To not recognize Taylor's situation as much much different and then give him less time is weird to me.

ZT does not look inept. His players play very hard for him. They have won games they shouldn't have won or were underdogs in. They have had stretches where they looked EXCELLENT in certain phases of the game. Are the results there? Not yet. But when the Young STUD QB, in a national interview, tells people he likes the guy and why.... to discredit that is asinine to me.

I have no issues with people saying ZT has to do better with the ENTIRE team and not just win over the QB. ZT needs to win more games THIS year. Period. If ZT hasn't more than doubled his career win total by the end of this season, he should be gone, IMO. But, that doesn't negate what Burrow said as far as his own opinion is concerned.

Now, to answer your first question ^ the fact that you wanted to wipe all of that away because YOUR opinion is different is.... ARROGANT.

Please provide a list of all rookie/2nd year QBs who have criticized their head coach to the media.

You asked whose opion we should listen to.  I say ANYONE other than a player who history has proven will never say anything negative about his head coach.