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(04-30-2021, 01:54 AM)Murdock2420 Wrote: To answer all of this in one simply post.

Go look at the shit show that happened on this board for the past few weeks. See all the posts about how our WRs couldn't get separation and how the people who wanted Chase were saying the WR group was worse off then the OL group. 

I'm not going to dive through 40 plus threads and hundreds of posts to quote each one, but **** I started a thread about how good Higgins could be, because I actually thought he could be a number 1 and Chase wasn't needed. And in that thread, he was labeled by some as decent or good or a possession guy.

Again... now we draft one guy and suddenly all that was just talk... which really was all my point was. The Pro-Chase movement was talking out their ass about how bad the WR group was because they wanted to push for their dude. All I heard was that the top corner was shadowing Green still and he was getting doubled still and in that scenario DIRECT QUOTES FROM THE DEBATE "Our WRS can't get any separation." "Burrow had to throw the most contested passes." So... Green is out, Chase is in... so he gets doubled, and that means the other two will have the exact same scenario as last season.

So... 

Either it is total bullshit that the Bengals have a top WR group...

or

It was total bullshit how bad the WR group was prior to getting Chase.


Pick one, but it must be one because no one drafted player magically fixes anything. Even Sewell wouldn't have fixed the line on his own, needed more then one guy there.



Most importantly. At this point, I just don't even care. I legit feel like Bill Burr when he was talking about losing his religion and how he just let it go at one point when he wasn't getting anything out of it anymore. I'm really at that exact same point right now, I look at how long I've wasted money and time on Mike Brown's product and realize at this point he doesn't care about winning. Which makes me really ask, why should I care and invest in this team? The Chase pick does two things, makes Burrow happy so he re-ups when they want him too and most importantly, creates a mob of people storming to the Pro Shop with money going "I needz da Chase jersey." This pick wasn't about long term winning, this pick was about short term getting fans in the seats and selling jerseys. 

Look at Twitter, look at this board, the frenzy of excitement for a 4 win team has Mike Brown seeing dollar signs and a 6 or 7 win season that he can sell as "progress". 

You are grossly missing some key concepts in this False Choice scenario you've created. And, a lot of your take doesn't make sense because it's based off of bad information.

-1st, due to the NFL revenue sharing structure, Mike Brown makes money regardless of fans. The new TV contract along will give the Bengals over $2 BILLION. What % of revenue to actual fans of the Bengals account for? A pittance.

So, this pick being about butts in seats for Mike's money doesn't make sense because butts in seats don't = Mike's money.

- As a DUO, Higgins and Boyd are Avg. AT BEST. The sum doesn't equal the parts. Higgins & Boyd are 2 very very good parts, but they do not make a complete WR corps for the Bengals. They both lack a major needed component: Explosiveness

The Bengals use 3 WRs more than any other team in the NFL. To have the 3rd guy be another Michael Thomas or Auden Tate and the 1st guy be Tee Higgins would be a HORRIBLE WR corps.

Something major was missing last year.... A prime AJ Green. THAT type of player is NEEDED by the Bengals and this offense. It's needed for the passing game and it's needed for the running game... As Joe Mixon immediately tweeted about teams bot being able to stack the box any more.... WHICH WAS KILLING THE RUN GAME THE LAST 2 SEASONS.

- 32% of Joe Burrow's sacks last year were coverage sacks. Meaning: WRs weren't getting open.

- Another 70+% of sacks and hits against Burrow are either 4th/5th on the depth chart (post draft), or not on the team any more.

- The Bengals current starting 5 O line gave up 6 sacks in 2020. 17 sacks from last year won't be seeing the field much... if at all.

To ignore this while becoming upset at the draft after 1 round is really tough to jeep seeing. In a year that the NFL draft is so deep at O line, this notion that only the 5th pick  can protect Joe Burrow really well just doesn't make any sense. Jamaar Chase, IMO, is the best player in this draft. THAT makes sense to take when you have a major position of need there.

Looking at how the 1st round of the draft fell, the Bengals 100% made the right pick. Cosmi, Eichenberg, Jenkins all sitting there as of now... just a handful of picks away.
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WR trio - Sled21 - 04-29-2021, 10:20 PM
RE: WR trio - masonbengals fan - 04-29-2021, 10:22 PM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 04-29-2021, 10:22 PM
RE: WR trio - GreenCornBengal - 04-29-2021, 10:28 PM
RE: WR trio - SHRacerX - 04-30-2021, 12:04 PM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 04-30-2021, 12:05 PM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 04-29-2021, 10:30 PM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 04-29-2021, 10:35 PM
RE: WR trio - Rubekahn29 - 04-29-2021, 10:38 PM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 04-29-2021, 10:40 PM
RE: WR trio - Nicomo Cosca - 04-30-2021, 02:09 AM
RE: WR trio - t3r3e3 - 04-29-2021, 10:33 PM
RE: WR trio - jason - 04-29-2021, 11:28 PM
RE: WR trio - Yogo - 04-29-2021, 11:34 PM
RE: WR trio - jason - 04-29-2021, 11:41 PM
RE: WR trio - Brownshoe - 04-29-2021, 10:42 PM
RE: WR trio - BengalsBong - 04-29-2021, 10:42 PM
RE: WR trio - J24 - 04-29-2021, 11:11 PM
RE: WR trio - CarolinaBengalFanGuy - 04-29-2021, 11:36 PM
RE: WR trio - SadFaceBengal15 - 04-29-2021, 11:45 PM
RE: WR trio - mhbsavant - 04-30-2021, 12:47 AM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 04-30-2021, 01:54 AM
RE: WR trio - CarolinaBengalFanGuy - 04-30-2021, 02:14 AM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 04-30-2021, 02:58 AM
RE: WR trio - Amalone002 - 04-30-2021, 03:18 AM
RE: WR trio - Rubekahn29 - 04-30-2021, 07:25 AM
RE: WR trio - Nicomo Cosca - 04-30-2021, 07:33 AM
RE: WR trio - PDub80 - 04-30-2021, 09:11 AM
RE: WR trio - SHRacerX - 04-30-2021, 12:16 PM
RE: WR trio - yang - 05-06-2021, 03:51 PM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 05-06-2021, 04:54 PM
RE: WR trio - yang - 05-10-2021, 01:00 PM
RE: WR trio - Hammerstripes - 05-10-2021, 02:19 PM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 05-11-2021, 08:21 AM
RE: WR trio - Mike M (the other one) - 04-30-2021, 03:47 AM
RE: WR trio - SHRacerX - 04-30-2021, 12:02 PM
RE: WR trio - grampahol - 04-30-2021, 12:08 PM
RE: WR trio - Big_Ern - 04-30-2021, 12:17 PM
RE: WR trio - SHRacerX - 04-30-2021, 12:24 PM
RE: WR trio - IndyTiger - 04-30-2021, 05:31 PM
RE: WR trio - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-30-2021, 05:42 PM
RE: WR trio - IndyTiger - 04-30-2021, 06:06 PM
RE: WR trio - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-30-2021, 06:16 PM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 05-06-2021, 03:50 PM
RE: WR trio - Hammerstripes - 04-29-2021, 10:34 PM
RE: WR trio - Hammerstripes - 04-29-2021, 10:44 PM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 04-29-2021, 10:48 PM
RE: WR trio - Hammerstripes - 04-29-2021, 10:51 PM
RE: WR trio - Wes Mantooth - 04-30-2021, 12:17 AM
RE: WR trio - Essex Johnson - 05-01-2021, 08:05 AM
RE: WR trio - rfaulk34 - 05-08-2021, 12:10 AM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 05-08-2021, 10:37 AM
RE: WR trio - rfaulk34 - 05-08-2021, 09:06 PM
RE: WR trio - SadFaceBengal15 - 05-08-2021, 10:39 AM
RE: WR trio - Essex Johnson - 05-09-2021, 10:45 AM
RE: WR trio - rfaulk34 - 05-09-2021, 04:50 PM
RE: WR trio - UKWhoDey - 04-29-2021, 10:51 PM
RE: WR trio - Daddy-O - 04-30-2021, 11:46 AM
RE: WR trio - Hammerstripes - 04-30-2021, 03:44 PM
RE: WR trio - TKUHL - 04-29-2021, 11:18 PM
RE: WR trio - Yogo - 04-29-2021, 11:33 PM
RE: WR trio - SHRacerX - 04-30-2021, 12:08 PM
RE: WR trio - grampahol - 04-30-2021, 12:15 PM
RE: WR trio - Big_Ern - 04-30-2021, 12:16 PM
RE: WR trio - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-30-2021, 03:43 PM
RE: WR trio - kevin - 04-29-2021, 11:57 PM
RE: WR trio - Yogo - 04-30-2021, 12:00 AM
RE: WR trio - ezekiel23 - 04-30-2021, 12:05 AM
RE: WR trio - Benton - 04-30-2021, 12:23 AM
RE: WR trio - rfaulk34 - 04-30-2021, 01:56 AM
RE: WR trio - jason - 04-30-2021, 06:38 AM
RE: WR trio - Hamilton95 - 04-30-2021, 07:05 AM
RE: WR trio - Hamilton95 - 04-30-2021, 07:06 AM
RE: WR trio - TKUHL - 04-30-2021, 12:37 AM
RE: WR trio - grampahol - 04-30-2021, 12:31 AM
RE: WR trio - Yogo - 04-30-2021, 12:35 AM
RE: WR trio - grampahol - 04-30-2021, 12:55 AM
RE: WR trio - Yogo - 04-30-2021, 12:59 AM
RE: WR trio - Yogo - 04-30-2021, 03:24 AM
RE: WR trio - Nicomo Cosca - 04-30-2021, 03:29 AM
RE: WR trio - Yogo - 04-30-2021, 03:33 AM
RE: WR trio - Nicomo Cosca - 04-30-2021, 03:35 AM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 04-30-2021, 03:36 AM
RE: WR trio - Hamilton95 - 04-30-2021, 04:47 AM
RE: WR trio - bengaloo - 04-30-2021, 08:41 AM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 04-30-2021, 09:09 AM
RE: WR trio - bengaloo - 04-30-2021, 09:13 AM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 04-30-2021, 09:14 AM
RE: WR trio - SHRacerX - 04-30-2021, 12:13 PM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 04-30-2021, 12:16 PM
RE: WR trio - Yogo - 04-30-2021, 03:37 PM
RE: WR trio - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-30-2021, 03:46 PM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 04-30-2021, 03:50 PM
RE: WR trio - Yogo - 04-30-2021, 04:39 PM
RE: WR trio - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-30-2021, 04:51 PM
RE: WR trio - SHRacerX - 04-30-2021, 11:59 AM
RE: WR trio - TheLeonardLeap - 04-30-2021, 12:06 PM
RE: WR trio - grampahol - 04-30-2021, 12:11 PM
RE: WR trio - GreenCornBengal - 04-30-2021, 02:47 PM
RE: WR trio - Stewy - 04-30-2021, 12:22 PM
RE: WR trio - XenoMorph - 04-30-2021, 02:47 PM
RE: WR trio - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-30-2021, 03:36 PM
RE: WR trio - Joelist - 04-30-2021, 05:51 PM
RE: WR trio - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 04-30-2021, 06:00 PM
RE: WR trio - pally - 05-06-2021, 02:56 PM
RE: WR trio - bengals67 - 05-06-2021, 04:11 PM
RE: WR trio - jason - 05-06-2021, 06:56 PM
RE: WR trio - BengalsRocker - 05-06-2021, 07:35 PM
RE: WR trio - Bilbo Saggins - 05-06-2021, 11:06 PM
RE: WR trio - jason - 05-06-2021, 11:37 PM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 05-07-2021, 01:19 PM
RE: WR trio - impactplaya - 05-07-2021, 01:31 PM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 05-07-2021, 01:36 PM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 05-07-2021, 02:14 PM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 05-07-2021, 03:16 PM
RE: WR trio - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 05-07-2021, 03:21 PM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 05-07-2021, 03:33 PM
RE: WR trio - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 05-07-2021, 05:48 PM
RE: WR trio - BengalsRocker - 05-08-2021, 10:22 AM
RE: WR trio - yang - 05-08-2021, 10:48 AM
RE: WR trio - Bengalholic - 05-08-2021, 11:04 AM
RE: WR trio - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 05-08-2021, 03:46 PM
RE: WR trio - SadFaceBengal15 - 05-08-2021, 04:29 PM
RE: WR trio - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 05-08-2021, 05:03 PM
RE: WR trio - Essex Johnson - 05-09-2021, 10:49 AM
RE: WR trio - Nicomo Cosca - 05-09-2021, 10:57 AM
RE: WR trio - Bengalholic - 05-08-2021, 05:49 PM
RE: WR trio - Bengalitis - 05-07-2021, 08:50 AM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 05-07-2021, 08:55 AM
RE: WR trio - Bengalitis - 05-07-2021, 09:45 AM
RE: WR trio - Nicomo Cosca - 05-07-2021, 10:13 AM
RE: WR trio - Bengalitis - 05-07-2021, 11:04 AM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 05-07-2021, 11:10 AM
RE: WR trio - ochocincos - 05-07-2021, 03:59 PM
RE: WR trio - Sled21 - 05-07-2021, 04:07 PM
RE: WR trio - ochocincos - 05-07-2021, 04:34 PM
RE: WR trio - jason - 05-07-2021, 04:46 PM
RE: WR trio - Murdock2420 - 05-07-2021, 04:13 PM
RE: WR trio - Nate (formerly eliminate08) - 05-07-2021, 02:36 PM
RE: WR trio - bfine32 - 05-08-2021, 01:03 PM
RE: WR trio - Go Cards - 05-08-2021, 09:47 PM

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