05-02-2021, 01:40 PM
(04-30-2021, 09:35 PM)Bilbo Saggins Wrote: https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/jackson-carman?position=OL
Carman is in the 5th percentile for arm length for an OT prospect; 18th percentile for an offensive lineman.
He didn't have a workout I guess? Down to 317 lbs from 345 at some point. Not sure what to make of him yet.
Those arm measurements are apparently wrong. Paul Alexander (who coached him) said he'd measured him at over 33 inches and this was confirmed at (if I remembered correctly his private workout).
(04-30-2021, 09:44 PM)Schmitbuck Wrote: Has the feel of the Drew Sample trade down where the guy they wanted was off the board.
I like the return of the trade.
I hope I'm wrong on Carman, and I'll be rooting for him, but I don't think he's going to amount to much. I'll happily eat crow if he does well.
I'm pretty sure he was their guy all along. I know Lap had in his final draft run through had mentioned him as a second round option but that morning all of a sudden everyone on Bengals twitter seemed to be projecting him as the Bengals' pick in the way that suggested it had leaked as he previously hadn't really been linked. This was before the Bengals traded back.
Maybe the better comparison than Sample is Bates or Mixon who were definitely their guys and they targeted when they moved back.
(05-01-2021, 02:14 AM)Nicomo Cosca Wrote: He had back surgery in January for the herniated disc, which kept him out of Clemson’s pro day last month. But he reportedly held a private workout for about 18 teams on April 15th.
https://www.postandcourier.com/sports/clemson/clemson-ot-carman-helps-nfl-draft-stock-after-pro-day-agent-says/article_eb6e1b9e-9ba9-11eb-b964-b381dc770b34.html
Love this bit from SI:
Players like Jalen Mayfield, Liam Eichenberg, Dillon Radunz and Alex Leatherwood are all talked about in the same tier as him, but Carman’s tape is a lot better than all of them.
https://www.si.com/nfl/draft/nfl/hot-take-tuesday-jackson-carman-is-getting-drafted-a-lot-higher-than-you-think
Thank you.
I enjoy reading looking back on pre-draft takes before it has been clouded by what team has taken a player and at what position. I know someone else has already pointed out Bob McGinn had him as the second best guard in his scout survey behind Vera-Tucker who went in the teens.
(05-01-2021, 03:09 AM)Benton Wrote: Carman is either a home run or a bases loaded strike out. But either way we probably won't know for a couple seasons.
Best case scenario, he's 100 percent recovered from surgery on day 1 and can start learning. By mid to late season he could see a significant amount of snaps. But he's not really going to be an upgrade from any of the current guards for a bit. He's a solid athlete, he's strong and he's got great footwork... But dude is raw. That's going to take time.
Worst case scenario, his back injury costs him (in my opinion) his best feature: core strength. Without that, I'm not sure He even plays. He's big, strong and fast, but not smart. If the surgery takes away the strong or the fast, I'm not sure how he will do.
It's either a brilliant pick or super dumb, but we won't know for a while.
Either way, it answers my question the team had about tackles: they think we're good to go. And that's super concerning.
I'm not qualified to judge his football smarts compared to someone like Big Willie but I got to say he came across very well in his interviews. I'm not usually impressed by such things but I thought he seemed a very smart, impressive individual. He wasn't my choice in the 2nd round but I'm intrigued.
