When will Zac be fired?

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(05-10-2021, 01:33 AM)Shake n Blake Wrote: The 2003 Bengals were pretty stacked with young ascending offensive talent. Willie, Levi, Braham, Chad, Housh, Warrick, Rudi, CD, etc.

The 2019 Bengals were littered with players at the end of their careers.

That doesn't mean Zac has an excuse for going 6-25-1...which is historically awful. But Marv was certainly given the better stitch.

In short, Marv was a solid coach who was given a solid roster (offensively). Zac is a bad coach who was given a deceptively bad roster. You add those two and you get 6-25-1.

I don't necessarily disagree, but I think this is a bit of almost revisionist history now.
The best that roster did was go 6-10 in 2001, that too by winning two straight to close the year. Perhaps another dead cast bounce.

Levi was drafted in 2002 so he wasn't even a part of it.
I think we're really underestimating the total rebuild/ culture shift that Marvin did in 2003. He brought in a slew of Tier 2 defensive free agents like Thornton, Tory James etc. Not to mention IIRC, Housh was nowhere near the player he became later on. I think he didn't really start playing at a high level until 2004 when Palmer stared. If I remember right, he was very close to being cut in 2003, with hamstring injuries never allowing him to consistently get in the field until then. I could be off by a year, but TJ was nowhere near the best he became later until Marvin showed up. And I think Warrick was in a similar boat, but obviously he flashed a little in 2003, never before and never after. And as you know Spikes left the same off-season that Marv showed up. Dillon only played a few games for Marv and left the next year. I'm also not sure if I should give any credit to Marv for drafting Steinbach or if it should all go to Duke.
But, until 2003 when Marv came in, I'm not sure this roster ever came close to reaching its potential and certainly the roster upgrade through FA is at least partially if not in majority a credit to Marv. But it was still mostly if not all tier 2 FAs.

I honestly don't think Taylor was given a bad roster. Lack of depth is partly his fault for not impressing upon the FO, the state of the roster. I would honestly submit that he had a comparably on par roster with that of Marv. It certainly wasn't so bad that it declined by 4 games the next year after Marv left.