When will Zac be fired?

[Waite Hoyt]

(05-11-2021, 02:35 PM)masterpanthera_t Wrote: I don't disagree with your first two paragraphs. For one, they don't really refute my point. For another reason, I didn't say anything to the contrary about Levi, Chad or Willie. Nor is any of that stuff I didn't know. But it's interesting that this roster couldn't win more than 2 games the year before Marvin came in. The reason I mentioned Spikes and Dillon is that, when Marvin took over in 2003, one of the (if not THE) best player from that defense was gone, and Dillon didn't play many games nor play at his best in the one year he played for Marv. I also pointed out how T.J was a fairly average player at best before Marvin's tenure. The fact that Marv took these players and finally got them to an 8-8 season after a bunch of losing seasons in a row leads me to give Marvin more credit in developing the level of many of these players (whether we're talking very good to great, or average to very good etc. ).

All of which means I totally disagree with your third paragraph. I think Marvin would have done much better than the two wins Taylor got in 2019 with the same roster. I can't say that I'm seeing players develop more under Taylor than Marvin. It's debatable that maybe Bates and Boyd wouldn't have gotten to their current levels under Marv, but at least it's debatable either way. I'm not sure Taylor has improved any players' level since he took over. And you could argue a few have regressed. So I wouldn't give the advantage to the 2003 roster, certainly not an overwhelming one. I believe the advantage in coaching is overwhelmingly in favor of Marvin.

In 2019 as the season moved along do you think we wanted to win more then 2 games? The first pick got us Burrow. Our roster was in turmoil. Dalton was benched, AJ was injured and the OL was terrible. I’ll also add that in 2020 our franchise QB had a BS training camp to deal with and no preseason. Hardly how you want to establish a chemistry with your receivers.

Defensively we had the worst collection of LB’s in the NFL.

In 2 years this roster has been almost completely turned over. That is what we should be grading ZT. The fruits of those changes will be graded this year. Real progress will need to be made and if not a change may be in order.