Afghanistan

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(08-18-2021, 09:40 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Very interesting attempt to flip the script.  I don't think calling out a religion that routinely subjugates and tortures women, murders homosexuals and demonizes all other religious beliefs is an especially "right wing" position.  I would hope all freedom loving people would do so.  But if not tolerating the subjugation and torturing of women and murdering homosexuals makes me a bad person in your eyes then so be it, I guess.

I don't think Islam "routinely subjugates and tortures women, murders homosexuals and demonizes all other religious beliefs." Casting it as such IS a "right wing" position. (It wasn't "leftists" who outlawed Sharia in Oklahoma  )
I have explained to you before the structural analogy between types of scapegoating based upon race, religion and ethnicity. 

While I have known, worked and lived with dozens of Muslims in four countries, I have never met one who fits your description of Islam.

I would hope all "freedom loving people" do not follow you in this demonization of the religious beliefs of hundreds of millions. 

(08-18-2021, 09:40 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Quote:So save this post for when I actually equate "modern Christianity" to "radical Islam" (which, by the way, is also "modern"). 

I am pleased that you finally acknowledge radical Islam as a prevalent "modern" form of the religion.

Notice that you ADDED the word "prevalent." I acknowledged no such thing. 

(08-18-2021, 09:40 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote:

Quote: Wrote:I took Mike's intent to be humorous (at least partly).   And so 

So you ignored his actual point?  Also, your post does not come of as an attempt at humor.  While I certainly allow for text not always accurately translating such intent if that was your objective it was an especially poor effort.

Oh Brother . . . taking Mike's intent to be partly humorous does not "ignore his actual point."

(08-18-2021, 09:40 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Quote:I thought I might balance it by emphasizing an aspect of the current "anti-tyranny" 2A defense that seems to get little notice--
namely that some such defenders might themselves be quite "tyranical" and anti-democratic, embracing constitutional fundamentalism on the model of religious fundamentalism (regardless of religion). And at a time when large numbers of the Republican party support a leader who has indeed sought to circumvent democracy.  

Oh, to be sure.  Owning a firearm does not magically imbue one with a sense of democratic or enlightened principles.  But attempting to conflate Christians in this country, or pretty much any country for that matter, with the actions of millions of radical Islamists in Afghanistan and elsewhere should be called out as absurd whenever the attempt to do so is made.

The point of my comparison, to explain again, was to remind people that defense of the 2A can be quite compatible with anti-democratic impulses. And there are far more than "100,000" US citizens now exhibiting such. You converted that to an equation of levels of religiosity and numbers. 

That indicates difficulty with recognizing common forms in differing religious practices, as in the above-mentioned structural analogy between bases of scapegoating. The logic of fundamentalism is pretty much similar everywhere, without everywhere driving the same political extremes. Pointing out the "fundamentalist" practice of some 2A defenders in this case does identify something in common with religious and anti-democratic Taliban, but it doesn't claim all or even many "modern Christians" are like fundamentalists Muslims in Afghanistan in this regard. You just made up that claim. 

So you are imputing to me points I did not make, adding words to change points I did make, and generally riding your own hobby horse which consists in making ALL Islam as despicably "radical" as possible. Tolerating the religion of millions of kind, decent, and honorable people = tolerating "subjugation and torturing of women" etc. If enough Americans follow your hyperbole in this, then the result is intolerance and persecution of a religious minority. 

Which do you hate more--"bigotry," Islam or "inconsistency"? You've regularly spoken out against all three. 

But you cannot consistently hate all three.