08-23-2021, 04:53 PM
(08-23-2021, 01:26 PM)Dill Wrote: 1. Albania. Don’t know what you mean by types of country.
Clearly you knew enough to list Albania. I get why you stopped there though, the rest of the list would be rather depressing for you.
Quote:2. No analogy “refutes itself”. And I don’t “compare people to nazis”.
Not only have you done so, you've defending doing so.
Quote:Political scientists and historians compare political/social structures across many societies, including “extreme” ones. You are insisting comparisons can only be made on the “same types” of behavior. If you were correct, it would be impossible to identify, for example, developing authoritarian tendencies in a government like turkey’s, Hungary’s or even the US. There could be no applicable metric if such comparison were really, somehow just “hyperbole”.
Comparisons are absolutely fine. But when comparing groups to the worst kind of human scum, Taliban, Nazi's, ISIS, etc. one better ensure that the comparison is apt and not just on a few subjects. The comparison itself is so inflammatory it should only be made in extreme circumstances. But you've been told all of this before.
Quote:3. Are you able to distinguish between social scientific analysis and demogogic smack? I’m asking the guy who says I support ISIS, and now accuses me of “painting people I dislike as analogous to the worst groups etc.”
I believe I apologized for that statement, which you throwing back at me multiple times since does not exactly speak well of your character. Regardless, pointing out a time I did the same thing you are currently doing does not absolve you, it merely indicates your attempt to deflect.
Quote:You inserted a point external to my comparison/analogy and continue to address that external point, rather than the comparison actually made. Because the goal of the comparison is outside the kind of accusatory political smack you read into it, it appears you cannot really follow it, or can follow it and don’t want to go there. Hence the attack on my imagined intentions, as if what I’m doing were no different from you claiming I support ANTIFA, as if the guy with the most extreme accusations and insults is “right”.
The analogy cannot be refuted on its own terms, apparently.
I'll make it even easier for you. Name a Muslim majority country in which you could publish a picture of Muhammed and not have to fear for your safety. Then compare that to reactions to Maplethorpe in this country. Then ask yourself what would have happened to Maplethorpe if he had use Islamic imagery in his "art".
I get why this is uncomfortable for you.
