Afghanistan

[Dill]

(08-24-2021, 03:51 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Since you have conceded you cannot name another Muslim majority country in which those two groups are not oppressed we'll move on. 

Of course you know the point, hence your doing everything you can to avoid actually addressing my questions.  I blame Islam as it is currently practiced for this in the same way I blame Christianity as it was practiced when it was used to justify the slave trade and maltreatment of humans viewed as "lesser".  The type of behavior and rules that I've asked about can only exist in those nations because there aren't a sufficient number of people standing up and saying "no, this is not right".  Islam is used to justify this oppression, and violence in the case of drawing Muhammed, in the exact same way Christianity was used to justify the slave trade.  So, as long as Islam is allowed to be used in this fashion by a sizeable percentage of those who follow it I will continue to rightfully criticize it.  Your problem is you see valid criticism as a vicious attack.  Probably because actually acknowledging the valid criticism would be very painful for you.

Bosnia-Herzogovina?

Someone really interested in "opporession" of women and LGBTQ minorities will go beyond judging non-lberal societies for not being liberal, and will not object to examining why non-liberal elements persist in our own.

What "questions" am I supposedly avoiding?  Islam is used to justify "oppression and violence in the case of drawing Muhammed, in the exact same way Christianity was used to justify the slave trade"? Wow. Garbled. What exactly are the terms of comparison there? 

The issue between us is not whether there are some Muslim groups who practice religiously inflected violence/oppression. 

The issue is whether this should be used to characterize all or most practicing Muslims in the world, while you block social-scientific analogies between the US groups and authoritarian regimes like the Taliban or Nazis on the claim such comparison is "inherently inflammatory."  And at at time when general lack of knowledge about such societies is hindering public assessment of "what went wrong" in Afghanistan.

If you believe, as I do not, that "comparisons of any kind to such extreme groups always, I repeat always, has the effect of making the groups analogous, of linking them together," then what is the goal of such deliberate linkage between "radical" and "moderate" groups in YOUR arguments? 

"Valid criticism" doesn't address its targets as "human scum" and always has some goal beyond naming and blaming. So yes, your criticisms of "radical Islam" are indeed "viscious attack." They show no effort to go beyond selective media representations of Islam to understand the social, economic and historical determinants of current Islamic politics, let alone the differing demographic and religious composition of Muslim majority countries, comically assumed to be constant in their "oppression" of various groups, an oppression grounded in religion.