Zac Taylor vs Marvin Lewis

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(12-25-2021, 06:36 PM)fredtoast Wrote: First of all you forgot that Taylor inherited Joe Mixon.

Second, not a single player that Marvin inherited had made a Pro Bowl until he coached them up.  In fact all that impressive "talent" that you claim Marvin inherited won only 2 games with a different coach the year before he arrived.  Meanwhile all the shitty players you complain about Taylor inheriting won 6 games with Marvin as coach.

Fair catch on Mixon.

First, on that list of Pro Bowlers and All Pro's, only one was a defensive guy(Justin Smith) and he didn't become a Pro Bowler/All Pro until he got out of Cinci and away from Marvin, the supposed defensive guru.  It's a big stretch to give Marvin credit for coaching up the offensive guys on rookie contracts when the team still had the OC that drafted them.  That would be like crediting Zac for Bates' All Pro season last year.

Second, you're arguing FA as an excuse for Marvin's failures but totally ignoring it when it comes to first year win totals.  Zac got John Miller (3 years/$16.5 mil), BW Webb(3 years/$10.5 mil), Kerry Wynn(1 year/$1.4 mil), and John Jerry(1 year/$930k).  That's like $12.3 mil APY.  Marvin got John Thornton (6 years,/$23 mil), Tory James(4 years/$14 mil), Kevin Hardy(4 years/$14 million), and Reggie Kelly(4 years/$6.8 mil).  That's about $12.5 mil APY and that was with the 2003 salary cap.  That's around $30 mil APY in adjusted cap dollars.  

Of course, another monkey wrench in this argument is that while Marvin won 6 games in '18, he only won 1 of 7 games without AJ Green, who also coincidentally didn't play at all in year 1 for Zac.  

At the end of the day, Marvin was a mediocre head coach who crumbled under pressure despite being given every opportunity to prove otherwise.  He is literally the worst playoff HC in NFL history at 0-7.  That's behind Jim Mora at 0-6.  His teams consistently underachieved.