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(02-24-2022, 12:30 PM)Au165 Wrote: Who says he was bad at those thing? If you say PFF we can stop there. Knowing how coverage is graded there now you might as well let some random person of the street tell you if a guy is good or bad in coverage. I talked to a national reporter who was telling me that the NFL thinks VERY highly of Jesse Bates, so much so on the open market he probably ends up top 3 in average salary. It's hard to judge secondary play as fans, especially if you don't have all 22 or know what you are looking at, but it's even harder when you lack a pass rush in 2020 or other extenuating circumstances persist in scheme change or other issues like a bunch of new players in the unit. 

Washington has tanked since Cousins left, Jaguars have been a shit show since the Yannick tag and trade, Texans have been awful since the Clowney incident. Heck even the Steelers have stepped back since Bell, and many point to that (along with AB) of being when the organization kind of got caught rolling in the mud. I am not talking simply tagging people and being done, I am saying ending up in tag situations that you ratchet up rhetoric and end up in public spats and stand offs. Those are signs of dysfunctional organizations and the ones you named above handled the issues decently, although Frank Clark may have gotten ugly for a minute if I remember. 

I'm usually okay with moving on from guys, but FS is one of those positions you better have a damned good plan at replacing if you move on. Our defense carried us late and essentially removing the lynchpin of the secondary is a massive risk to take on. I'd cut Joe Mixon in a heartbeat to pay for Jesse Bates (massive cap savings post June 1st by the way).

I wasn't going by PFF, though people were more than happy to use that to prove he did well in 2020 (which he did). I was going with my eyes, PFR, Bates own words of admitting he wasn't focused, the FO's reluctance to pay him.

I heard from a national reporter that Joe Burrow would refuse to play for the Cincinnati Bengals if drafted by them. Sure glad single national reporters have more value than literally everything else in front of you.

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Oh, so what you really meant is mostly a bunch of historically poorly run teams continue to be poorly run. Super shocking and nothing to do with some kind of franchise tag curse.

Kirk Cousins starting record with DC was 26-30-1. The best record that DC had while Cousins was there was his rookie year in 2012, when RG3 was the starter.

Jaguars WITH Yannick were 24-40. That's a shitshow even before then.

The Texans won 10 games and a playoff game THE year they got rid of Clowney, and Clowney followed it up with 3 sacks over the next 2 years. You're confusing the Clowney business in 2019 with Bill O'Brien trading away a top-3 All-Pro WR for an expensive broken RB and a 2nd round pick in 2020, which had nothing to do with franchise tagging.

The Steelers had an overweight QB/rapist get into his late 30s. Even then they've had 0 losing seasons, 3 winning seasons, and 2 playoff appearances in the 4 years since Le'Veon Bell left.

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I think you're vastly overestimating the importance of a FS on the 18th overall/17th scoring/26th passing defense.