Roe vs Wade vs SCOTUS legitimacy

[Mike M (the other one)]

(05-05-2022, 10:47 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: That's a false choice. There is no need to give up any of those rights for a better social safety net.

Admittedly, that is my mistake for saying what we need is what exists in other places. However, the fact remains that we could improve the general welfare of our citizenry without giving up those civil liberties.

So i was right about your answer??? In the end, you wouldn't give up your right to own guns for your fellow Americans for better healthcare and education. 

I'm very well aware we don't have to give up any other rights, my point is these other countries did and that even though they may be better in one area, they are still far from perfect, JUST LIKE US.

I don't think some of you have really dug in and looked at how those other countries are better in some ways than us.
Some start at earlier ages, some go almost year round, but most don't have a military like ours, their focus is on Education, they have higher tax rates and so on. if you want those things, you have to sacrifice somewhere. it takes money to do these things and last i looked, i didn't have any trees in my back yard.