Roe Vs Wade Overturned

[BoomerFan]

(06-27-2022, 02:24 AM)pally Wrote: It actually isn’t complex.  In a country that claims as its hallmark “freedom and liberty for all”. You have neither if you do not have body autonomy.  

I don't support what the SCOTUS has done and think the argument of trying to make better law is undercut by some of Justice Thomas's comments but your argument has two major failings. One, you've created a false dichotomy. There can still be civil liberties despite this ruling even in states that will/have outlawed abortion. And two, the opposition's argument is that there can be neither freedom nor liberty for all if human children are being murdered. Do I personally believe life begins at conception? No I think we're talking about a bunch of cells. It might be difficult to say exactly where the line is that those cells can feel something to the point we have some moral obligation to them but the third trimester makes sense. 

The problem with the 9th is people will claim that anything is a right. Or you have to resolve issues of two rights at odds with each other. I would say there is a natural right to privacy, but right is limited by others' right to live. States can and do make laws regarding things that might be natural rights if they aren't codified in the constitution as interpreted by the SCOTUS. 

I am with you on your reading of the 2nd though. 

I will also say, I am disgusted by message boards (specifically parts of reddit) where people are openly endorsing a violent response to this ruling (and the mods do nothing). I mean, it is predictable that this would only inflame the culture war but still it is toxic and childish and of course someone innocent will end up being harmed. That's how it is with all wars. 

It is also worth noting that this isn't the 1970s anymore. There are a lot of forms of birth control, many less intrusive than at that time. I wouldn't be surprised if the number of abortions (as a percentage of population) is declining anyways.