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(07-22-2022, 06:53 PM)Lucidus Wrote: I'm a bit perplexed. You speak of God and Jesus in real terms, but in the post below, seem to suggest the Bible is purely man-made? Am I correct, or perhaps I'm misinterpreting your position?

... you ARE aware that Jesus was a real, terrestrial being, correct? Whether he actually did do a lot of what is said is of course, unproven (nor can it ever be proven), but the man existed. To deny the flesh of a creature on this Earth and confusing their supposed divinity with their actual existence, is a bit narrow-minded (not calling you that, just stating that the mentality is). If you're referring to my grave comment, I'm only going off of the fact that it has never been found, nor have his remains. I've always been under the assumption that the site and remains were absolutely known by those high enough in the Catholic hierarchy, but as was customary of the Catholic Church to destroy any bit of existing flesh, as to prohibit the creation of relics and such, the man's body will never be found.

And where have I said God is real? Because I said that people have a personal relationship? How does that make someone real or not?

Quote:]Also, the Bible does indeed give instruction on how to buy foreign slaves, how long you can keep Jewish slaves, how much you can beat them before you're punished, that if you give your slave a wife he cannot take her or children with him if his time is up and he chooses to leave or how slaves can are considered property / inheritance and can be passed down to children? I'm quite sure you are aware of all these things. 

lol that's your interpretation; I find it doesn't, "give instruction," I read it more as it is a re-telling of how things were at the time, not to mention that there is a direct contradiction: in the lines that talk about having slaves, it is also said that, "He who is found stealing a man and selling them for slavery, will be killed," (or something like that). I repeat: Constant. Paradoxes. And. Contradictions. Not. Black. And. White.

FURTHERMORE!!! A lot of the, "slave," talk was more about a caste system, not unlike what India had for centuries. Yeah that's still not a good thing, but in 2022 (and decades beforehand), the entire world has known that slavery is a gross raping of human rights (well, except for many in the Southern US), thus it is easy (and recommended, of course), to simply ignore those select passages which are part of the many grey areas of the book.

Again, not at all making judgements on what you have said, this is just my interpretation: I am interpreting your words and how you feel about the Bible, exactly how the American public takes them; literally, with no context (either historical or moral) and you are trying to make black and white out of something grey. Also, you're not being fair to the literal source material as well: when one describes something as, "detailed instructions," that reads as a point form, guide with a step by step, on how to do something.

There is nothing of that sort in the pages. Again, it reads as a re-telling of how things were at the time, not that, "you must live your life according to these words."

EDIT* A quick Google search found this excellent, 3rd party deep dive into the topic. Quite good, from the 3 minutes I've read thus far:

https://emergencenj.org/blog/2019/01/04/does-the-bible-condone-slavery