07-22-2022, 09:15 PM
(07-22-2022, 08:06 PM)Truck_1_0_1_ Wrote: ... you ARE aware that Jesus was a real, terrestrial being, correct? Whether he actually did do a lot of what is said is of course, unproven (nor can it ever be proven), but the man existed. To deny the flesh of a creature on this Earth and confusing their supposed divinity with their actual existence, is a bit narrow-minded (not calling you that, just stating that the mentality is). If you're referring to my grave comment, I'm only going off of the fact that it has never been found, nor have his remains. I've always been under the assumption that the site and remains were absolutely known by those high enough in the Catholic hierarchy, but as was customary of the Catholic Church to destroy any bit of existing flesh, as to prohibit the creation of relics and such, the man's body will never be found.
There is no substantial proof that the Jesus character represented in the Bible actually existed -- divine or not. It's much more likely that "Jesus" was an amalgamation of the outspoken itinerant rabbis at that time.
Quote:And where have I said God is real? Because I said that people have a personal relationship? How does that make someone real or not?
Which is why I asked for clarification.
Quote:FURTHERMORE!!! A lot of the, "slave," talk was more about a caste system, not unlike what India had for centuries. Yeah that's still not a good thing, but in 2022 (and decades beforehand), the entire world has known that slavery is a gross raping of human rights (well, except for many in the Southern US), thus it is easy (and recommended, of course), to simply ignore those select passages which are part of the many grey areas of the book.
Again, not at all making judgements on what you have said, this is just my interpretation: I am interpreting your words and how you feel about the Bible, exactly how the American public takes them; literally, with no context (either historical or moral) and you are trying to make black and white out of something grey. Also, you're not being fair to the literal source material as well: when one describes something as, "detailed instructions," that reads as a point form, guide with a step by step, on how to do something.
There is nothing of that sort in the pages. Again, it reads as a re-telling of how things were at the time, not that, "you must live your life according to these words."
EDIT* A quick Google search found this excellent, 3rd party deep dive into the topic. Quite good, from the 3 minutes I've read thus far:
https://emergencenj.org/blog/2019/01/04/does-the-bible-condone-slavery
These aren't retellings of the time, they are literal guidelines / instructions:
Leviticus 25:44-46
44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45 You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.
Exodus 21:20-21
20 “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.
Exodus 21:2
2 When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing.
Exodus 21
21:1 “Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. 2 When you buy a Hebrew slave, he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. 3 If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s, and he shall go out alone. 5 But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ 6 then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall be his slave forever.
7 “When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. 8 If she does not please her master, who has designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed. He shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has broken faith with her. 9 If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. 10 If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights. 11 And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out for nothing, without payment of money.
It's all undeniably disgusting. There is no context that matters when it comes to owning other human beings as property.
