Sanu or Jones or Both?

[Shake n Blake]

(12-11-2015, 10:35 AM)SHRacerX Wrote: Glad I scrolled through before posting.  This was going to be my point as well.  Crabtree isn't a superior talent to MLJ in any way.  I bet his agent was salivating when he saw this.  I'm not sure that MLJ will be able to be retained if he is going to get this kind of money on the open market.  

In which case, Sanu could likely be retained and the Bengals would be looking WR right after CB in the next draft.  

I posted facts to back my belief on why Crabtree is better and more productive. So what make MLJ equal or better than Crabtree?

(12-11-2015, 12:04 PM)TGISunday Wrote: Disagree on the production vs. Potential, but ok. 

I'm trying to ask two very pointed Questions: what do you think someone is willing to pay MLJ when free agency comes around next spring? I saw some figures early in the thread, but do you feel this Crabtree deal has ANY effect on that market?

MLJ is a third option here because of the other players on this offense; not every team has our riches in terms of weapons.  Ergo, I believe someone will try to offer more than we are willing to offer.  Does he take it?

All new deals have some influence on the market, but what market are we discussing? Are we discussing the market for #2 or #1 WRs? As I said earlier, Crab is more of a 1B option for the Raiders. He's led their team in targets, catches and TD's. I think his pay (8.7 per) perfectly reflects that. #1 options usually get 10+ while #2 options fall around 5-6.

If MLJ is viewed as a #2 WR, Crab's contract won't be relevant because Crab wasn't paid as a #2. If MLJ is viewed as a #1 WR (which I bet won't happen), then Crab's contract still isn't relevant. 

Btw, you can disagree on production vs potential, but how many WR's have been paid like a #1 without ever producing like a #1?

(12-11-2015, 01:49 PM)XenoMorph Wrote: Most contracts are based on what they believe Future production would be.

If a player has 7,000 receiving yards and 50 Tds in his career  but is now 34 and losing a step your not gonna pay him based on his past production but what they believe he can still produce.

Which is why some players cant find jobs because they think they are worth to much

Your example doesn't fit because MLJ isn't a fading 34 year old. His past production is a good indicator of what he's capable of. A similar player with similar production would be Emmanuel Sanders. Sanders was given a 3 year, 15 million deal from the Broncos. That deal fit his past production, not his potential.