Roe Vs Wade Overturned

[Dill]

(12-06-2022, 08:17 PM)hollodero Wrote: Good. Not to be rude, I read your whole response, I think it is oversimplifying things. States rights can be about a lot of things... a certain independence from Washington for example. Or about taxes or regulations or policies on soy beans or whatever, sure bad stuff too. But to just say "if you advocate for states' rights, your motives are nefarious" is just not a good point to make. And neither is "it's about owning black folks", that is just polemic and untrue.

And that would be my point. Many folks, and imho with all the merit of the world, blame Trump for making polemic and untrue statements and radicalizing white folks. I doubt the answer to that is to make polemic and untrue statements and radicalize minorities.

And if the answer to that remark would be "but Trump is way worse", then it's thin.

Sure, states rights "can" be about a lot of things, but historically, which causes and movements have wielded this as a policy battle cry? 

And for which policies/laws? No president ever sent the 101st Airborne into a state to enforce a Supreme Court ruling on soy bean subsidies, right? 

"Bad stuff too" is rather an understatement here, and an oversimplification, since it is mainly the "bad stuff" that structures party and policy
division to the point that, on questions of right, one must decide where ultimate power between federal and state governments must reside.

I do agree with you that the response to Trump "making polemical and untrue statements" is not to answer him and his MAGA surrogates with
the Left/Liberal version of "polemical and untrue statements." 

But we are at a moment when a particular theory of states rights which evolved over the contestation of Black citizens civil rights is shown to be 
supple enough to extend to other domains, like the right to choose. That's what ought to worry us about this issue. It would be wrong to say
"states rights" is only about the civil rights of black citizens, but it is not wrong to remember how this ideology evolved in past deployments in an
effort to understand its current promise for right-wing policy.  I think that is what Rager was trying to do. Maybe Big P too.