Roe Vs Wade Overturned

[hollodero]

(12-07-2022, 03:52 PM)Dill Wrote: Sure, states rights "can" be about a lot of things, but historically, which causes and movements have wielded this as a policy battle cry? 

And for which policies/laws? No president ever sent the 101st Airborne into a state to enforce a Supreme Court ruling on soy bean subsidies, right? 

"Bad stuff too" is rather an understatement here, and an oversimplification, since it is mainly the "bad stuff" that structures party and policy
division to the point that, on questions of right, one must decide where ultimate power between federal and state governments must reside.

I do agree with you that the response to Trump "making polemical and untrue statements" is not to answer him and his MAGA surrogates with
the Left/Liberal version of "polemical and untrue statements." 

But we are at a moment when a particular theory of states rights which evolved over the contestation of Black citizens civil rights is shown to be 
supple enough to extend to other domains, like the right to choose. That's what ought to worry us about this issue. It would be wrong to say
"states rights" is only about the civil rights of black citizens, but it is not wrong to remember how this ideology evolved in past deployments in an
effort to understand its current promise for right-wing policy.  I think that is what Rager was trying to do. Maybe Big P too.

As you stated, it would be wrong to say "states rights" is only about owning black folks. Which was just the statement I - after michaelsean dared us - took an issue with. As often, I wonder why there's even a debate when you actually make the same point.

States rights - of course - are not inherently good or evil. They're considered a good thing by many when used for harsher gun laws, aren't they? And sure, please remember the evil, but don't just go as far as to forbid highways because Hitler bought them. States rights can be used by evil and non-evil folks alike; and imho more importantly, the same goes for folks that are in favor of more state autonomy. Like michaelsean and others, reasonable people, by no means the crazy right. That get as response that their supporting states rights is racist. Which is what happens.

And which imho is how liberals drive so many folks like him away.