Columbia Leaders Grilled at Antisemitism Hearing

[Dill]

(04-30-2024, 09:16 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Dill Wrote: There are plenty of Israeli politicians who are "pro-genocide,"
but I've so far resisted claiming that make pro-Israel protestors pro-genocide.

No, there aren't
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Certainly some calls for ethnic cleansing, which is separate from genocide.  The nuclear weapon comment was understandably walked back.  I certainly wouldn't support ethnic cleansing, much as most GOP voters wouldn't support Boebert or Dem voters Cori Bush.  The problem for you is the Hamas mission statement, their entire stated purpose for existing, is the eradication of Israel and the murder of all Jews in the Middle East.  I think you're going to have to try harder to find a comparable statement from Israel, even among those as extreme as the ones provided. 

My task was to establish that there are plenty of Israeli politicians who are pro-genocide--mission accomplished.
To which I'd add, those in question were pro-genocide long before Oct. 7. Calls for killing all Gazans or Palestinians and destroying their culture
are certainly "comparable" to anything Hamas has said. Why would you say otherwise? And Israelis get to walk shit back, but not Hamas?

Did you read the links I posted? Certainly some calls for ethnic cleansing. But also the DEPUTY SPEAKER of the Knesset publicly called for total eradication of all Gazans. "Wipe them off the face of the earth . . . . There are no innocents."  That's a bit more than ethnic cleansing.

When he heard that 100,000 civilians were still in northern Gaza, he said he had no mercy for them:"We need to eliminate them."
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/ahead-of-hague-hearing-likud-mk-doubles-down-on-call-to-burn-gaza/

Maybe better to just go to the data base at the Law for Palestine website and peruse the HUNDREDS of examples there, translated from Hebrew to English. Some of the material has been taken down, like youtube videos of IDF soldiers abusing detainees. But de-humanizing calls for killing all the "animals," not just "Hamas dogs," are frequent. https://law4palestine.org/law-for-palestine-releases-database-with-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-continuously-updated/

Also, the problem for you is that there aren't just "calls" for ethnic cleansing. That has already occurred, starting in November 1947, and continuing to today as Palestinians are still incrementally driven from homes and business ins East Jerusalem and the West Bank. 

Netanyahu's Finance Minister, Bezalel Smotrich speaks for many on the Israeli right when he says the Palestinians are "not a people."
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-minister-says-no-such-thing-palestinian-people-2023-03-20/

You wouldn't support ethnic cleansing. Smotrich might have a way around that and genocide. In 2017, he proposed a kind of Joshua solution, in which Palestinians are given three choices: "to leave the country; to live in Israel with the status of 'resident alien,' because, as Smotrich made sure to note, 'according to Jewish law there must always be some inferiority,' or to resist, 'and then the Israel Defense Forces will know what to do.'" Is it genocide if you offer a choice? 
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2017-05-16/ty-article/.premium/why-religious-zionism-is-growing-darker/0000017f-e13a-d804-ad7f-f1faf5f90000

Efforts to erase markers of Palestinian identity have long been part of Israeli policy, bulldozing mosques, and renaming villages and landmarks. The destruction of cultural heritage is an aspect of genocide. That has intensified during the Gaza war.  https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1655264
https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/20/middleeast/israel-gaza-cemeteries-desecrated-investigation-intl-cmd/index.html

This does look like an attempt to "destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, on the part of many right wing Israeli politicians.  But you are still having difficulty connecting this to US civil rights protests. College students think Palestinians are oppressed only because Israel has "more power"" 

https://www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/convention-prevention-and-punishment-crime-genocide
In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
© Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.