Do we live in a Rape Culture?

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(05-10-2016, 10:34 PM)THE Bigzoman Wrote: People for centuries have considered it as such.


The one issue I keep seeing crop up is when they use "drunk" as an argument for rape. I totally agree that if they're blacked out from drinking, that's rape, absolutely. If they're so drunk they're flailing and incoherent, and can't fight you off, that's rape. No question. They lack the capacity to refuse, making any sex you intitiate a case of force.

But if they're drunk enough to be stupid and silly, it's consensual. Clearly and unequivocally, in my mind.  Now, if you spiked their drinks, giving them alcohol in what they thought were virgin drinks or the like, sure. You drugged them, and that's wrong. But having 4 beers at a bar and jumping that guy you thought was hot does but were too nervous to approach sober doesn't mean he raped you. That's just silly.  Plus, it opens up the question; "if they were both drunk, did they rape each other?" Since that question's nonsensical, it's pretty clear the base premise, that being drunk means you can't legally consent, is nonsense as well, or at the very least untrue

If we're going to use it, we need to define "drunk". And it can't be "has had a few beers and is experiencing lowered inhibitions". Rape is a crime of forcing someone against their will.

Drunken consent isn't in any way against their will, it is their will. It may be ill-informed and something they regret in the morning. If I get drunk and buy 300lbs of cheese on Amazon, that doesn't mean Amazon robbed me.

Actually the language of using "force" is and has been taken out of many laws.

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