06-06-2016, 02:35 AM
(06-06-2016, 01:47 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: You absolutely do need to wait. By the very nature of the word, defense, you cannot defend yourself until someone takes offensive action against you. We live in a society in which speech is protected. You don't go to jail for denying the holocaust or offending someone. Short of directly advocating violence, which no one can show Trump has done, you do not get to physically attack someone and claim defense unless they physically attacked you first. This moral cowardice is what paralyses the left at the moment, the need to justify violence by claiming defense against words. If you disagree, what words do you feel should be criminalized? Blasphemy? Against what faith? Does anything that harms the sensibilities of another warrant legal sanction or physical violence?
The ironic thing about this whole "debate" is that left leaning types are now directly assaulting the first amendment. Words are only acceptable if I agree with them, if they differ I can meet them with physical violence and claim the mortal high ground in so doing. Quite honestly, the tyranny from the left in this regard is just as insidious and odious as that coming from the right in the days after 9/11. Maybe it doesn't bother you because you agree with the current oppression? Myself I'll take freedom of expression, without fear of physical reprisal, in every instance because this country was founded on it. Feel free to disagree, the Constitution allows for that.
I dont think anybody is really saying this was in some way self defense. I'm not trying to justify the violence. Cause and effect. Your actions have consequences. Hang out in a dangerous place you elevate your risk of bodily harm.
Walk through a Chicago ghetto shouting racial slurs and your words might end up getting you in trouble. Not legally. Just in trouble with some people you offended.
Go to a klan rally whoops i mean trump event. Some people offended by your rallying cry might be there. In a movement led by a big mouth. Im sure there are a few big mouths in every trump rally crowd. Throw gas on the fire. And shit gets ugly.
I can say whatever i want. But im not dumb enough to think i can say whatever i want to anybody with total immunity. One of the facts of life. Your words and actions can get your ass beat.
Go to a town full of minorities with an anti-minority message to conduct a gathering. Thats like poking a hornets nest with a stick. Its a bad idea to begin with. And standing there and watching is dumb too. (did that analogy make sense bfine?)
The violence shouldnt happen. But it does. That doesnt make it right. But a leader promoting a devisive message will attract a rowdy crowd. So lets not pretend its surprising any more.
