Gennifer Flowers.

[hollodero]

(10-08-2016, 02:33 AM)Dill Wrote: I don't think we need to be the "ultimate" good guys.

Well, it wouldn't hurt...!

(10-08-2016, 02:33 AM)Dill Wrote: But respectful partners is be a good start.

To be blunt. We lately tend to respect you when a democrat is president. It's just how it is. We're still partners in any times, of course. We just always root for the democrat and we consider them being "better" guys. Republican presidents tend to try pressuring us into things and plant their world view on us.
To use a really broad brush.

(10-08-2016, 02:33 AM)Dill Wrote: You don't think we should rattle our sword, but one of our presidential candidates is already doing that, and insisting our NATO partners pay up, and suggesting Japan could build its own nuclear deterrent.

When I listened to the debate (oh yeah), that was the only point... I wouldn't go as far as to say he actually had one... but the only point where I didn't think that everything he said was completely appalling to the intellect. Of course that Japan nukes thing is BS; but although I do not know about the payment structures in NATO, I do know that I feel safe and that my country doesn't do squat for that. You indeed take care of us for free; guess we are just "geographically lucky".
Yes, the truth is much more complex, but it being simplistic doesn't make it completely untrue. If the US were to abandon Europe, we really couldn't do much if Putin rolled over the baltic states and marched right through Poland.
Trump just wants more money for protection. I figure.
Anyway, I'd guess 90% or more of people who care (which are very few people, we are just as uninformed as your voters) are for Hillary. Which is tough for us, because about the same percentage probably do not like Hillary. I certainly don't. But still, there's just a narcissistic madman instead, so it's Hillary all the way. If you wanted to know about that.

(10-08-2016, 02:33 AM)Dill Wrote: I was going to say more on that subject, but given the events of the last few hours, I think our demagogue may be bowing out this week, mooting the issues I wasraising.

Because of that groping women thing?
I don't know... as disgusting as he and all of that is... he seems to survive everything.

(10-08-2016, 02:33 AM)Dill Wrote: PS I was living in Germany when the Yugoslav war began. One difference between German and US Press coverage was that Germans showed much more graphic images and video footage; also German's felt the war more directly. Some refugees entered the country and Yugoslavia was a beloved vacation destination--now inaccessible.  The U.S. is so distanced from most world conflicts today, and our media representation of war is so filtered, that we are slow to react when we might do good and reluctant to followup (nation-building).  The one exception is 9/11 and the schizophrenic response.

Still, better late than never. And despite our empathy, "never" would have been and was Europe's response. To this very day I think that we should have been ashamed of our continent there.