Grope a dope: Trump is on the ropes now

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(10-11-2016, 05:42 PM)Vas Deferens Wrote: apparently some demented perverts interpret '***** oneself' completely different logistically.  they feel it necessary to involve blades and such.

Nope, just penetration. Different than jerking off, which is what you are Pat are describing and doing to each other.