Gennifer Flowers.

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(10-13-2016, 06:39 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: What current world leader would a Libertarian admire ?


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Yeah, I draw a blank there too.

(10-13-2016, 04:42 PM)Rotobeast Wrote: Oh...but I humbly disagree (big surprise).
Regardless of who wins, if Johnson gets 5% of the vote,  the Libertarian Party will receive minority party status.
That's a step in the right direction towards ending the stranglehold the two current major parties have on the system.

As far as a Nader situation, I may NOW agree it possible.
Before, Johnson was taking equally from both candidates.
After Trumps debacle over his machismo and wondering hands, a lot more  Republicans are moving to Johnson.
If we could only get Stein to pull a few more Clinton supporters...... but that's another story.

Then what? Then the chances of Trump winning would just rise. This parties, however, will never rise. You might dream of Johnson now getting close to 10%, next election 15, and 2024 will be a close race between three parties. But I believe it will never, never turn out that way until eternity if the system doesn't change. Ross Perot once got 19%, and it wasn't a revolution against the two-party system, it just killed the GOP chances. I think all of that is just a huge illusion.

And it's NOW we have to talk about.
It might just break down to that. Would you prefer

a) a president that isn't Donald Trump
or
b) a president Trump and a libertarian party that has reached minority party status.

Currently, it really boils down to that. (And it some way it always will.) Now if you honestly can say b) is your preference, it's THAT crucial they get some status here or Hillary is just an equally bad choice, then fine, go ahead and vote for him. Otherwise you make a nice, but un-wise choice here that indeed might heavily bite you. It's just how it is, the game is rigged against Gary Johnsons, and the Gary Johnsons are not the ones to change that.

-- If you want the system to change, I believe the only chance it does is from within the parties. And right now. You have a Bernie wing, and you have old-fashioned republicans who can't be happy about the whole Trump disaster and the situation as a whole. There and only there lies the chance for change. Gary Johnsons will ALWAYS be caught up in a fight between two major candidates as long as the system doesn't change, with majority voting and electoral college and a direct presidential race and all this stuff from 1800. And they will never get a say.