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Goebbels strikes again
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(02-12-2017, 01:56 PM)Shake n Blake Wrote: Do you really believe this team's problems started last year? I agree with your points on Marvin Lewis, but ultimately it's Mike Brown that...

1. Keeps Marv not only employed, but comfortable in his seat.
2. Has favorites that can't be fired, like Paul Alexander - who is more responsible for 6-9-1 than any other coach.
3. Refuses to build a practice facility that the coaches, players and fans want.
4. Refuses to offer much guaranteed money on contracts, which limits the type of players we can sign.
5. Refuses to hold himself or anyone else accountable, which permeates through the entire organization.
6. Makes excuses for mediocre performance rather than demanding excellence.

Marv is a confirmed choker. The guy has proven time and again that he can't get it done. That said, the biggest reason we won't compete for titles now or any time in the foreseeable future is one step up the chain on command.

1.) So, you think Marv should have been fired in the midst of the 5 consecutive playoff appearances streak.  I was on board with replacing him with Zimmer as well, but I could also see why you wouldn't get rid of Marv.  Only the Bengal team that played the Chargers was remotely the team that they had during the season.  That game was devastating to me.  The defense was pathetic.  Gio fumbles going at the 5 yard line.  Dalton fumbled on a scramble where he dove face-first and wasn't touched...it was awful all the way around.  I wouldn't call Marv comfortable, and the Bengals had a "succession plan" in place with Hue (who I really wanted) and Cleveland swiped him from us.  


2.) I am not a fan of PA, and this is going to sound a bit like Fred, but the guy has had his good years as well.  In 2009, despite Palmer sucking ass, his line helped ignite a running game that we hadn't seen since Rudi Johnson.  I have no idea why they stuck with Ced last year, and it clearly killed them, but I don't put that 100% on PA.  I don't know who made those decisions, but it wasn't the owner.

3.) The Bengals, like the steelers, have a bubbled practice facility at a nearby college that is available to them.  

4.) Where are you getting this about refusing to guarantee money in contracts?  This owner stands behind the contracts more than any other in the NFL.  At least he honors them and doesn't cut players that are overpaid when they underperform. 

5.) The accountability discussion is a broad subject.  Is it Adam Jones, who should be let go?  Is it Marv, for not winning a playoff game?  I get this discussion and there are parts of it that really bother me...like Adam Jones.  But having a succession plan in place for Marv with Hue, I thought was perfect.  You want to honor the guy that helped transform your franchise but you want the new regime to begin to take over.  Cleveland just overwhelmed Hue, and he jumped at that chances.  I will always wonder what could have been, because I really wanted Hue and was hoping somehow Marv would still be a part of it all to get a ring.  

6.) I don't know if I would call it making excuses, but he isn't going to make knee-jerk reactions in to critical decisions.  As a matter of fact, I have never heard the man make an excuse.  He is one of the least visible owners in terms of media appearances and I am just fine with that.  The coach speaks for his team.  The owner is the one who hired him, built the staff around him, and helps decide how to build a team.  We may be frustrated with the lack of a championship, but they have a talented roster that they have assembled and this upcoming draft will be a critical strategy for this team.  

I think they have the right personnel people in place to fill some holes, and create better depth at key areas to keep this team in the mix for years to come.  

People can hate Brown all they want, and you can hate me for defending him, but I see a bright future for the Bengals and this year could be a huge step in the direction of a Championship squad. 
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Goebbels strikes again - McC - 02-09-2017, 07:31 PM
RE: Goebbels strikes again - GodFather - 02-09-2017, 07:47 PM
RE: Goebbels strikes again - Wes Mantooth - 02-09-2017, 08:08 PM
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