Steve Bannon.

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(02-13-2017, 07:02 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: No, because it is true that Illegals voted, the exact number is what is debatable.

You see, seeing the number as "debateable" is something completely diffeerent than claiming "it were millions". They claim millions just to satisfy the vanity of a president who can not stand that more overall people voted Hillary. Him/they throw that number out without any kind of proof whatsoever. And the claim is not harmless, it goes to the very foundation of your voting rights and people's trust in the whole process.
And after throwing out that completely imaginary number, they claim that the burden of proof doesn't fall on them. But the media. Who fails to disprove the phantastic claim.
If instead they said "there are illegal votes, the number is debateable, we should look into it" (like you do), then it would be no big deal and fair game. But it wasn't like that.

(02-13-2017, 07:02 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Alternative Facts? So it's ok for the Media to use "Alternative Facts"

Never OK. But the media allegedly doing it doesn't make it an ounce more OK for an administration to do so.
Did "the media" do it? I heard of one reporter who oversaw a Martin Luther King bust, reported on it and apologized for his mistake later. That's all there is. One reporter getting a detail wrong can in no way ever justify giving out "alternative facts" that are pure lies. If certain reporters are to blame, blame them. Don't justify bad deeds by alleged bad deeds committed by others. If there are those deeds, an adminstration needs to be better.

(02-13-2017, 07:02 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: by showing pics of Trumps inauguration that were false?

How can pics be "false"? Were they photoshopped?

(02-13-2017, 07:02 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Was it the size of Obama's? probably not, however it was ranked 5th most watched on TV by Nielson (30.8 Mil), this does not include the people that used their phones and watched live as well. There were many live stream options that were available for Trump that were not available for Obama. So it could very well have been the most watched. Twitter Livestream (6.8 Mil). Reagan holds the record at 41.8 mil viewership. So it's not really a stretch to say most viewed. I watched it on my phone as well and I didn't use Twitter.

Well, but it wasn't about "most viewed". Your emotionally hurt president let his speaker come out and say 1) There are no official numbers so no one can know and 2) this was the biggest crowd ever attending, period!

Which is ridiculous. Never mind viewerships, it was all about the crowd size. This whole crowd size thing wouldn't have been an issue hadn't Trump made it one in the first place.

(02-13-2017, 07:02 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Since you want to throw terms around, how about this one: Godwin's Law.

Calling/comparing Trump to whatever despicable human leader/government style you dislike, is nothing more than another way of saying "I don't like him".

It's really not about liking him. Trump makes it about that. It's about a bunch, a series of conducts that are neither normal nor comparable to what other presidents did. It's about agitation and silencing opposition.

(02-13-2017, 07:02 PM)Mike M (the other one) Wrote: Attacking his policies is different, that we can discuss. But once idiots revert to using Godwin's law, there is no point in discussing it further with them.

Right, it's not about policies. It's not about people being opposed to a wall or to a ban which is no ban except when the president calls it a ban. It's about spreading false information, alt-facts if you will, about agitation, about a whole new dimension of lies. Attacking judges, attacking the media, attacking newspapers and networks, attacking whoever is opposed to him. Add in Steve Bannon on the Security Council, Kellyanne inventing massacres and giving free commercials. Add in that he plays the american public for suckers. Like promising a thousand times to show tax returns and then never showing them. Add in he proposed torture and war crimes. Add in he makes up murder rates (highest ever?), unemployment rates (42%?) and 1.000 other things. Add in threatening Hillary with jailtime. Add in that he called Obama the founder of ISIS and that whole birther thing. Add in all those lies to rally up uninformed people. And I stayed away from all the sexist and racial stuff there.
Now I will not make any Hitler-Trump comparison, I agree that is far-fetched. I make an comparison to the leaders of former Soviet countries, though. Trumps behaviour resembles that of a leader of Kazachztan or a country like that. What holds him back is not his personal belief in the values of a democracy, at this point it's jsut the constitution that does so. If Trump got his way, he would probably fire that Washington judge and then shoot him to the moon. And that assumption is based on what he says and tweets, and it's threatening.
I root for the state of law, the separation of power, for freeedom of speech, for your constitution. Things Trump constantly questions and attacks on Twitter alone.

See things differently? Fine, see things differently. But at this point don't call people "idiots" who are concerned. There is valid reason to be.