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The OK case
(04-06-2017, 12:48 AM)hollodero Wrote: That of course is BS, but it doesn't necessarily result in being against having to show some ID to vote. It's a problem of implementation, not a problem of the principle.

Not sure what you think is BS. If you do not have a birth certificate, are elderly, and live 30 miles in the country, you have pay legal fees to create and verify documents which for which there was previously no public record. This will require legal multiple trips to the city on the right days at the right time, and you may have to pay someone to drive you. There are not a few people like this, but thousands.

The link I gave is a very good resource for these kinds of costs, as well as costs to states for implementation and legal challenges.

Here are more links on race targeting and voter id laws. The second link includes a summary history of suppression of the black vote with polling restrictions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/03/courts-are-finally-pointing-out-the-racism-behind-voter-id-laws/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272023853_The_Cost_of_the_Vote_Poll_Taxes_Voter_Identification_Laws_and_the_Price_of_Democracy

Check out the graph on p 21 http://pages.ucsd.edu/~zhajnal/page5/documents/voterIDhajnaletal.pdf  The effect of voter id laws on turnout is measurable. Thousands are affected.
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The OK case - bfine32 - 03-31-2017, 09:24 PM
RE: The OK case - TheLeonardLeap - 03-31-2017, 10:00 PM
RE: The OK case - bfine32 - 03-31-2017, 10:50 PM
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RE: The OK case - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-31-2017, 10:36 PM
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RE: The OK case - bfine32 - 03-31-2017, 10:49 PM
RE: The OK case - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-31-2017, 10:55 PM
RE: The OK case - GMDino - 03-31-2017, 11:00 PM
RE: The OK case - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 03-31-2017, 11:01 PM
RE: The OK case - bfine32 - 03-31-2017, 11:06 PM
RE: The OK case - GMDino - 03-31-2017, 11:09 PM
RE: The OK case - bfine32 - 03-31-2017, 11:19 PM
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RE: The OK case - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-03-2017, 01:22 AM
RE: The OK case - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-03-2017, 01:43 AM
RE: The OK case - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-03-2017, 01:52 AM
RE: The OK case - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-03-2017, 10:28 AM
RE: The OK case - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-03-2017, 10:41 AM
RE: The OK case - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-03-2017, 12:18 PM
RE: The OK case - bfine32 - 04-03-2017, 01:29 PM
RE: The OK case - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-03-2017, 01:57 PM
RE: The OK case - bfine32 - 04-03-2017, 02:03 PM
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RE: The OK case - Rotobeast - 04-01-2017, 12:37 PM
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RE: The OK case - Sociopathicsteelerfan - 04-02-2017, 08:59 PM
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RE: The OK case - BmorePat87 - 04-04-2017, 08:22 AM
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RE: The OK case - Rotobeast - 04-03-2017, 01:54 AM
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RE: The OK case - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-03-2017, 09:38 AM
RE: The OK case - bfine32 - 04-03-2017, 01:34 PM
RE: The OK case - Rotobeast - 04-03-2017, 02:00 AM
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RE: The OK case - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-03-2017, 10:32 AM
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RE: The OK case - michaelsean - 04-03-2017, 12:22 PM
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RE: The OK case - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-03-2017, 12:35 PM
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RE: The OK case - bfine32 - 04-03-2017, 01:40 PM
RE: The OK case - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-03-2017, 01:58 PM
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RE: The OK case - TheLeonardLeap - 04-05-2017, 01:56 AM
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RE: The OK case - oncemoreuntothejimbreech - 04-05-2017, 07:13 PM
RE: The OK case - hollodero - 04-06-2017, 04:47 AM
RE: The OK case - BmorePat87 - 04-06-2017, 02:35 PM
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