The OK case

[Dill]

(04-06-2017, 04:18 AM)hollodero Wrote: I don't know how these frauds would work, but requiring photo ID would make registration fraud sure a lot harder, doesn't it? One can always forge a passport, sure. Fraud will never be impossible, e.g. in the counting process, where trust always is part of the equation.

OK, that's my point, I just don't get why it takes multiple trips to cities, fees, challenges and whatnot. I'm sure no expert in these things. Maybe it would be a good choice to set an initiative to get people's status cleared, though. There is money for the 13th aircraft carrier and walls and nukes and whatnot, there could be money for that. That there are so many people with obviously no legal proof of their existence doesn't seem to be a good thing.
But honestly, I get a bit lost in these details. I gave an opinion, I don't claim it's the appropriate one, but I don't really want to dig deeper into that. :)

Sure, it makes an almost non-existent fraud a lot harder, at the cost of millions and millions of dollars. There is a reason why that fraud is almost non existent, and it is not because it is "easy."

Let's say you have never had a birth certificate and you were born on a farm. How do you get one? You have to gather and provide haphazard records--affidavits from people who knew your family, familiy Bible, military service records, school records and the like. For the elderly problems arise. The witnesses from the past are all gone. You no longer live in the county or state where you were born. School records might not be there.  The earliest record may actually be the first time you voted 60 years ago. But that alone won't enable you to vote now. Some counties provide legal help pro bono to get all this done--hours of work--some not. And then you have to have it done in time. The laws are usually timed to come into force just before an election. People find out too late.

Worst case scenario--you were adopted. check out some of the frustrating stories here, on this site offering legal advice. http://www.justanswer.com/family-law/68vz7-dont-birth-cerifcate.html

Also, you may be unaware of how these laws vary and are applied variously.In some states, like Tennessee, a gun license will work but not a student id. In some states you have to have an id to register. After that you don't need an id at the polls. For others, you need to show an id when you vote,but it doesn't have to be a photo id; most any id works, including a drivers license or student id. The people who want strict voter id laws want a special voter id like a driver's license, passport, or military id.

And finally, you are still having difficulty grasping the primary impetus behind voter id laws. They are not to prevent voter fraud; they are designed to shave percentages of one party's vote totals.

Why would you go to all the trouble of passing laws to cut down on that party's voting, and then turn around and make it easy for all those voters to vote?