Gun Policy Research

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(06-22-2017, 08:25 PM)Belsnickel Wrote: You're still ignoring the fact that their culture is the result of centuries of oppression that, while lessened, still exists to this day. As I mentioned in my first post, socioeconomic issues have been theorized as being a factor in gun violence. The black community is disproportionately impoverished as well, so is there something there?

This is where the need for research comes in.

And this is exactly why they have stifled attempts for gun violence research. You already have all the data you could possibly need to draw a conclusion. It's just that you choose to ignore the obvious conclusion in favor of making excuses for people's choices. Oh it can't be their fault, they're not responsible for choosing to murder people. It's society's fault. Then the gun violence "research" will do what it always has done... ignore the real problems, and attempt to just restrict the law abiding portion of the population who own a gun legally and don't commit crimes.

You're not actually wanting real research, because you've already determined the answer isn't the answer.

(06-23-2017, 01:41 AM)Dill Wrote: My first question would be who is responsible for the other 52 % of homicides. If you removed that group, the US would drop lower than 94th, wouldn't it?  

Also, I know many black men, none of whom carry guns or belong to gangs. What share of the country's gun murders are they responsible for? They aren't part of the nation's gun violence, but some still treat them as part of the most dangerous demographic in the country.

Who is responsible for the other 52%? The other 93.7% of the population...
93.7% of the population = 52% of homicides
6.3% of the population = 48% of the homicides

 I thought we were laughing at people who provided anecdotal evidence in this thread? I never said all black men were gang members who carried guns, because obviously they are not. I just said if you're truly looking to curb gun violence in the country, you don't need to do any further studies. You just need to focus on that relatively small, disproportionately violent, section of the population.

(06-23-2017, 02:17 AM)Dill Wrote: That leads to another issue. The high incarceration rates of blacks increases the population of blacks who cannot be hired for most jobs when they get out of prison.  That is in no one's interest.

"Whit culture" tends to be Calvinistic. It doesn't look for social/environmental causes of social problems. It views social problems as the result of bad individual choices.  Looking for data and considering history and class situation to understand causes is just making excuses.
Everyone can think of examples of like Ben Carson, who grew up in government housing living on food stamps and attending public school but managed to make it without any help from government.  A few such anecdotes kill rather than raise curiosity about the millions who don't "make it."

Incarcerated for committing crimes. What's your alternative? Give all law breakers a pass, regardless of what they have done, so long as they pledge to get a job instead?

I don't think that's "white culture". I think that's "adult culture", where you're responsible for your own life choices and actions. That line of thinking is how we've gotten to the point that people try to label drug addiction as a "disease"... as if it's cancer or something.