07-08-2017, 11:10 AM
(07-08-2017, 11:02 AM)Belsnickel Wrote: I'm not saying any of these groups are not religious groups, I'm saying all of these groups corrupt the faith to suit their needs and provide confirmations of preconceived ideals. It's a human behavior that exists in every religion.
So if we are trying to honestly assess the claim made and rejected (sans data in both cases) in the OP do we omit from the tally of deaths and wars caused by religion those deaths and wars traceable to someone(s) who "corrupted" a religion?
Example: Jim Jones People's Temple (in 1978) 918 people died (some would say they suicided, some would say Jones murdered them, but that's another debate for another day) in Jonestown, Guyana. Do we count those as deaths attributable to religion? Or do we say he corrupted religion or it was a cult of personality so those deaths don't count?
JOHN ROBERTS: From time to time in the years to come, I hope you will be treated unfairly so that you will come to know the value of justice... I wish you bad luck, again, from time to time so that you will be conscious of the role of chance in life and understand that your success is not completely deserved and that the failure of others is not completely deserved either.
