09-29-2017, 10:32 PM
Quote:No it isn't. I don't think he hates them, I think he looks down at them. He might be more of a "woman defier", but that's all the semantic debate there is to have (if you agree with me, what you might not do).
Well... you asked what makes him a misogynist, I gave my reasons why I think the word applies. You having a problem with the word because it might mean something else to someone doesn't make him any less of a misogynist.
Depends on what your definition of a misogynist is though. My point was that I feel the term is usually used as in hatred for women, which isn't something I feel actually defines Trump.
Quote:Your point is strange to me. If someone says "I despise Mexicans", I would call that person racist. And I would do so even though someone might interpret it as "that person's hating Mexicans", when in fact the person rather scorns then hates them. Now you might say I'm making it all abot semantics, but I don't - you do :)
Not sure this example is equal to what's being argued here. Saying you hate Mexican's is in fact a racist position and would therefore make you a racist. Has Trump said he hates women? I don't remember him doing so. You're taking things that Trump said and declaring him a misogynist. I don't feel he is.
Quote:It's the sum of things that make Trump a misogynist in my books, not just cheating; I didn't even mention that. I personally don't think cheating is misogynic (just being shabby).
Wht I really find amazing, and hard to really argue, is the "he says bad things about other people as well"-defense. That doesn't make too much logical sense, does it? "I can't be called a misogynist, look what bad stuff I said about male Mexicans" doesn't hold up in my moral court.
The point is that you're using such instances to support your accusation that he is a misogynist. You're saying "Trump says bad things about women, therefore he is a misogynist" but I don't find that to be all that great of an argument when he does the same thing to other people who are not women. What has Trump done to women in general that shows he has a great disdain for them that is not comparable to men?
I know he's personally attacked women, but I question to what degree his attacks are actually misogynistic and whether it's more so him being disrespectful as an individual by nature to anyone who challenges him and people being overly sensitive to it.
Quote:The reason you're argueing this is that you're a conservative :) I mean nothing bad by that, it's just a statement of fact. You kind of defend Trump a little and kind of look for a reason to attack Michelle. And it has to do with your political leanings. I do not mean any offense by that :) it's just a bit tough to follow you here. For example because it's not argued Trump is a misogynist because he's not a voice for women, but because he looks down at women. Does he? I'd say yes (because of that long list of things others and I have mentioned), you might say no, but that's what it's about.
Not really.
I'm arguing because....
1. I'm bored.
2. I think Michelle is wrong for saying what she said.
I don't consider myself to be anything. I just like to state my views and leave it at that. You said I looked for a reason to attack Michelle but I don't find that to be true. bfine posted the article and I responded because I believe she's wrong.
You're saying Trump looks down on women because of the things he's said about them but things like grabbing them by the (whatever) are more so sexist statements than they are statements of misogyny , and sexism and misogyny are not two terms that should be used interchangeably, although that's what's become of the two words in today's usage of it. Misogyny is really sort of like racism, but towards women rather than someone of a particular race. But I feel the term has kind of become this loose term to mean "insulting to women" but it's really more than that.
