Obama Shames Voters

[Dill]

(09-29-2017, 11:06 PM)Matt_Crimson Wrote: Dill, the point of saying "Trump insults other people too" is to point out the fact that insults do not make you a misogynist. Saying you grope women does not make you a misogynist. What makes someone a misogynist is their hatred for women. Saying you grab women by the area means you hate women? Sorry but I have to disagree.

Trump has shown that he is someone who regularly attacks people who are against him. If Jeb Bush was a woman everyone would still be talking about how badly Trump treated him. But hey, he's a man so who cares.

You are generalizing Trump's insults to the point where they have no content, then asking what's the big deal?

If someone calls the men AND women around him "idiots" in equal proportion, then yes probably no one would call that sexism, just personal abuse.

But to reiterate a point made above, it would be quite another thing if a white man habitually calls a black coworker the N word and complain his kind are lazy and shiftless, and make jokes about his hair and facial features.  Would anyone argue that such behavior is not racist  because he insults women and others too?

Insulting women does make you a misogynist if the insults are directed at women because they are women, and define them as inferior beings whose entire value rests upon their ability to please men by their looks, their genitals, or ability to cook and keep a home or otherwise serve.  That's how misogyny is distinguished from mere sexism--by the intent to denigrate.

The business of Trump grabbing women really has two parts. 1) to say a man "hates" women doesn't necessarily mean that he wants to kill them or something. Hatred can be expressed in a spectrum of behaviors, including violence and objectification--even of one's own daughter, if he speculates how large and wonderful his baby girl's breasts will be when she grows up (on NATIONAL TV. Jeezus!) . The misogynist not only thinks of them as less than men, but finds them contemptible, deserving of abuse and violation.  When his wife gets old he dumps her for a younger, more pleasing and compliant toy. 2) Trump wasn't just "talking"; by his own testimony, he regularly grabbed women without their consent, like they were meat, used his celebrity to violate them personally.  Even if we give Trump "the benefit of the doubt" by not believing him, we still have his celebration of imaginary denigration in speech.

To put one and two together, you "grab women" and brag to other men about it because you have contempt for them as persons with rights.  You don't escape the charge of misogyny just because you regularly heap contempt on others as well--like imitating a person with a handicap.


PS People do care about the way Trump attacked Jeb Bush, by the way.