01-26-2018, 02:00 PM
(01-26-2018, 01:36 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sorry for thinking you were a police officer, but my point is so simple i think most non-police officers would still get it.
If gun registration was required then the police would be able to get a lot more illegal guns off the streets other than just waiting for them to commit a violent crime before acting.
Sure, and if we eliminated the 4th amendment protections law enforcement could really clamp down on crime. I'll use street gangs as an example. Law enforcement knows who the gang members are. They know where the gang members largely hang out. If law enforcement were freed from the shackles (used ironically btw) of the 4th amendment then street gangs could be eliminated nationwide within two weeks time. They would be obliterated. As criminal street gangs account for well over half of firearms related homicides would not doing so promote "public safety"?
Quote:Everytime a person was stopped by the police for any reason and found to be in possession of a gun that gun could be seized and the person charged for illegal possession. As it is now it would be practically impossible, or at least very inefficient, for them to go to all of the steps in the field to determine if the person was in lawful possession of the gun.
See above. In any event, to carry a concealed weapon requires a permit (in most/all? states). Trust me, determining whether someone you stopped has an illegal weapon is not that difficult under the current system.
Quote:Instead of just demanding to see the gun license and registration like they do with a driver or a prescription if they find narcotics the officer would have to run the persons entire criminal history and then run the guns serial numbers to see if it has been stolen.
Yes, and this takes all of two to three minutes. It's arduous I tell you!
Quote:And as the study you cited shows the guns in the hands of criminals often belong to other people who have refused to report them as stolen.
I believe the term used was "unaware" they were stolen. Remember counselor, a lawyer should be precise with their wording.
Quote:If you are a lawful gun owner would you rather be able to just flash a license and registration or wait around for a half hour while the officer runs your entire criminal history and enters all serial numbers from every gun through a data base?
A legal gun owner won't generally have to worry about either. As stated above it takes minutes, nothing close to half an hour, to run a Clets check. Also, yes, I have zero problem waiting for law enforcement to do their job. Three minutes out of my day means a criminal will be caught down the road. A small sacrifice I'd think any law abiding citizen would be happy to make.
(01-26-2018, 01:44 PM)fredtoast Wrote: Sorry for the misunderstanding but all throughout this discussion the only issue I have been talking about are government regulations.
So what exactly did you mean by "go after law abiding citizens". I don't recall suggesting anything other than government regulations.
You stated I made an argument I did not make. You do this routinely and you get called out on it routinely.
