02-09-2018, 03:16 PM
(02-08-2018, 01:07 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Actually, Heller, backs up my assertion, that the right to own a firearm to defend yourself is enshrined in the Bill of Rights. No one in this thread has argued that there can be no limits on firearms ownership. Once again, Fred argues against a point that no one made.
Gee, I wonder how I ever got the impression that you thought the fact that owning a gun was a Constitutional right meant it could not be regulated.
(01-25-2018, 11:36 AM)fredtoast Wrote: Holding people responsible for killing someone with a car is the reason we have laws that require every driver to be trained and hold a license and every car to be registered to an owner who could be held responsible.
(01-25-2018, 12:05 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Driving a car isn't a constitutional right, is it?
(01-25-2018, 01:11 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Nope. The point is that gun ownership is a constitutional right, driving a car is not.
(01-25-2018, 02:04 PM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Once again, ignoring that owning a firearm is a constitutional right. You don't just get to ignore this fact because it inconveniences you. Do we need training and licensing to exercise our right to free speech?
(01-25-2018, 02:59 PM)fredtoast Wrote: How am I "ignoring it" by explaining how it can be limited based on public safety? It seems that you are the one ignoring my answer.
(02-08-2018, 02:51 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Sure would, driving a car not being a a constitutional right and all. (You can almost hear your prepared gotcha deflating btw)
(02-08-2018, 03:14 AM)fredtoast Wrote: We have already been over this. Constitutional rights of all types are limited for public safety reasons. Gun ownership is no different.
(02-08-2018, 03:30 AM)Sociopathicsteelerfan Wrote: Sure. Kindly cit the SCOTUS ruling that supports your claim then.
So if you really knew that Constitutional rights could be limited for public safety reasons then why did you demand a citation to prove it?
In fact it seems to me that your ONLY argument about why we can't require training and licensing (NOT banning all ownership) is that gun ownership is a Constitutional right.
